Law Alabama used new method to execute prisoner. States forced to seek alternative methods.

[JudoThrowFiasco]

It's a painless and effective death

 

[Rod1]

I was a little confused as to why Nitrogen was chosen.

Most of the air we breathe is nitrogen, its a neutral gas that our body doesn't reacts to.

Since our bodies can't detect lack of oxygen, they detect a build up of carbon dioxide, carbon dioxide is basically "evaporated" through normal breathing into the air by the lungs.

If you are breathing a neutral gas like nitrogen you will simply keep releasing all CO2 build up in the body without actually taking more oxygen which will lead you to simply lose consciousness.

This of course however requires you to breathe freely.

(such as people who used to poison themselves in cars, breathing in the CO, and despite the fact they wanted to die, had a panic response and exited the vehicle).

Cars don't produce CO, they produce CO2 and water so they will certainly feel like you can't breathe.

 

[Natural Order]

I can't believe there are bootlickers in this thread who would give the state the right to do this to another human, even if that human committed terrible crimes.

For the Percy Wetmore types in here getting off imagining executions firing squads and hangings, grow up.

The State is the will of the people to put down mad dogs. There are most certainly cases for it. Grow up.

 

[tastaylvr]

Is it true that death row inmates live better lives than normal prisoners?

How is this guy on death row for over 30 years though?

 

[jk7707]

I don’t see why defense contractors are not rushing to manufacture these chemicals. But, I believe it is either woke or extremely religious companies that make the determination to not let their product be used in humans executions-thus forcing states to experiment. Again, clear, incontrovertible cases should be a bullet after sentence

No? Maybe because manufacturing chemicals specifically for executions isn't profitable because even in the US it's not used that often. I don't really think it's "woke" to not want your company to get bad press because a state is using something you manufacture to kill people.

What you're suggesting would take a monumental overhaul of our justice system. Because as of now, you're either guilty or not. There's no, super-duper extra guilty category that exists. And there have been plenty of people found guilty, and sentenced to death despite being innocent.

Let me ask you this: Is knowing that there is a 100% chance that some completely innocent people will be executed by the state worth it for the ability to put the most heinous murderers to death instead of keeping them in prison for life?

 

[nhbbear]

No? Maybe because manufacturing chemicals specifically for executions isn't profitable because even in the US it's not used that often. I don't really think it's "woke" to not want your company to get bad press because a state is using something you manufacture to kill people.

What you're suggesting would take a monumental overhaul of our justice system. Because as of now, you're either guilty or not. There's no, super-duper extra guilty category that exists. And there have been plenty of people found guilty, and sentenced to death despite being innocent.

Let me ask you this: Is knowing that there is a 100% chance that some completely innocent people will be executed by the state worth it for the ability to put the most heinous murderers to death instead of keeping them in prison for life?

I get your points. I really do. It’s something that I grappled with for an entire career. There were definitely times that I would go to arrest someone and they were so damn adamant that they didn’t do this or that. And almost every time, it was something that I saw them do and they were making a show for the crowd. They would often try to fall down. I had a guy one time screaming “stop hitting me” when we placed him in the back of the car. Luckily, it was all on in cruiser dash cam that for some reason was facing towards the rear seat instead of forward(back then, you had to manually flip the camera to face backwards instead of now where they record simultaneously).

On the cases where I didn’t see the crime, for example, serving a warrant or mostly, for domestics where the guy is swearing she bashed her own face off the floor to win an argument, I did grapple with the possibility that he/she was telling the truth. I would never advocate for the death penalty in such a case. But when the evidence is overwhelming-say for example, some shitbag has bodies in his backyard and their bloody dna in their house, well, take that fuck out back and shoot them.

I have made it abundantly clear that I am no ok with an innocent person being put to death. In my op, I stated I would only want the death penalty to be used in clear cut cases where there is no possibility that it is a wrongful or questionable conviction. In a case like I describe, once the death sentence has been passed, I say 24 hours to the firing squad. Fuck the companies that are being swayed by negative press. Simply fuck them. Companies that make weapons SHOULD want to transition into the chemical territory and be the one to get the contract to supply each and every death penalty state. You make bullets, why not chemicals that are cheap to manufacture??

 

[650lb Sumo]

Is it true that death row inmates live better lives than normal prisoners?

How is this guy on death row for over 30 years though?

No, their conditions are harsher than those of the great majority of prisoners.

The average time spent on Death Row in the US is 22 years. Smith spent 33 before his failed execution attempt. Gary Alvord was on Death Row for 39 years before dying of natural causes. Smith's jury voted for life in prison but the judge overruled them.

 

[fica]

Just love how west does not like Saudi way it is inhumane lol most humane to kill somebody who deserve it is by hoping head off all nerves are severed painless.

 

[Hdfi]

We are still finding death row inmates innocent to this day, can't see how someone with a moral compass would support state sanctioned murder of innocents. The justice system is imperfect.

How many innocent people are killed because of soft laws and soft measures to contain criminals? Execution prevents recidivism... Besides, why do you want to force other people to financially support serial killers, mass shooters, etc. for decades?

 

[avenue94]

Hence, my assertion that it should be airtight cases that involve torture, children, or mass shootings where there is no viable defense. It should be very quick. I would not be opposed to it being the next day after sentence is passed in such cases-on video, caught in the act, etc

How would you write the law or sentencing guidelines to determine whether a case is airtight or not?

 

[tastaylvr]

Just love how west does not like Saudi way it is inhumane lol most humane to kill somebody who deserve it is by hoping head off all nerves are severed painless.

Most Americans would be completely fine with how the Saudis do it. The Saudi style has been even argued in this thread. Hell, most conservatives have more in common with the Saudis than they do with Democrats.

 

[CatchnShoot]

No? Maybe because manufacturing chemicals specifically for executions isn't profitable because even in the US it's not used that often....

Actually untrue. Each of the three drug cocktail components are readily available at any medical wholesaler and have various legit uses.


An induction agent (anesthetic to put you to sleep)--these are used every time somebody gets put out for a surgery.---Halothane/Fentanyl for example. This is supposed to be for the prisoner's comfort... ie) The humane part...yeah we killed him dead, but we did it humanely.

a paralytic so that the audience doesn't have to witness the Hippie Hippie shake--these are also used in a variety of surgeries that require immobilization, also used by EMT's --Succinylcholine/Cistracurium ie) Comfort for the staff/audience...who wants to see the grisly consequences of murder?

and Potassium Chloride to stop the heart---bags and bags of it used in hospitals across the country. ie) The actual chemical bullet that pulls the plug. It's the REAL silent killer.

For all of these, the right dose is wonderful, an overdose will kill you.

No medical wholesaler in America will sell them for the express purposes of execution, so they have used shady wholesalers in foreign countries in the past.

 

[CatchnShoot]

How many innocent people are killed because of soft laws and soft measures to contain criminals? Execution prevents recidivism... Besides, why do you want to force other people to financially support serial killers, mass shooters, etc. for decades?

lol....... regarding the incredible cost savings of execution!!!!.... You might want to look into that one, there Super Chieftain.

 

[jamel]

They shoulda made Kay Ivey watch

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I don't know why they don't just shoot these guys in the head. It's cheaper and faster.

why not just give the condemned a gun with one bullet in the chamber, lock him in a room with a screen that diplays womens MMA fights 24/7 and speakers blasting Nickelback, and just wait for the guy to finally break and shoot himself in the head?

at least nobody else would have to go to sleep at night knowing they just took someone elses life.

 

[nhbbear]

How would you write the law or sentencing guidelines to determine whether a case is airtight or not?

Guidelines that a judge would use or instructions given to a jury. These are in state code books. Crimes caught on camera where the identity is unquestionable, caught in the act, a preponderance of dna evidence (like victims blood dna in the suspects house or car), and things along those lines

 

[Hdfi]

lol....... regarding the incredible cost savings of execution!!!!.... You might want to look into that one, there Super Chieftain.

Ropes and bullets are not so expensive. Another positive side: they can use their organs to save good people who need an organ transplant.

 

[Legumes]

This is going to give someone the idea at home to use the nitrogen from their tires to kill someone...Either that or it will inspire plenty of youtube clickbait videos about that dangerous gas in your tires just waiting to seep out and execute you.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

How much does a bullet cost?

 

[Poon Goon]

How much does a bullet cost?

The average price of centerfire handgun ammo is $0.50 cents per round. The average price of centerfire rifle ammo is $0.95 cents per round. The average price of shotgun ammo is $0.60 cents per round.