Social AI Could Wipe Out the Working Class | Sen. Bernie Sanders

[chrisdiaz]

I enjoy discussions about the future as much as anyone, but there's a growing disconnect between the theoretical, mental impetus of development and what's actually achievable in the real world. i am all for enthusiasm about science and scientific endeavors, but people don't seem to understand how immensely far things are from each other in space, how hostile space is. we're fine on earth but even here you need special conditions - anyone that has gone camping for 3 days in the wilderness understands how hostile nature is even here, where we evolved to survive. get away from a city and 10 miles away you could die of exposure, even with supplies.

space elevator? moon base? mars colony? colonizing the moons of Jupiter?
there are outlandishly difficult things that cannot really be achieved without enormous tech breakthroughs. as we are now, it's impossible. and it saddens me to say it but we're just nowhere near. maybe in 100 years we'll be ready to start thinking about a moon base, maybe, but i'm not even sure about that. i'd say 500 years from now is a safer bet. of course, maybe somebody makes some enormous tech breakthrough (materials, propulsion) because as we are now, in a linear evolution, it's only a dream.

We could barely fly 100 years ago and weve already sent robots to mars. I think you might be underestimating how quickly we have gotten our technology to evolve...by a lot. Now colonizing Mars? Probably not anytime soon but 500 years from now well be lucky if this planet still exists.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Sure but you're a rational person who doesnt think the working class are inherently beneath you and not worth investing in. Billionaires who pay politicians for the dismantling of social safety nets WHILE AI development is ramping up with the specific purpose of cutting labor costs is a real thing. Just as is (and was) billionaires perfectly willing to crash and economy to buy more things at cheap prices, and just as is billionaires thinking their spending can float the entire economy without having to do anything for the working class.

I dont disagree with hour basic points, but I dont see a single reason to trust in the idea of "conscious capitalism." Not when we have the kind of aggressive deregulatuon, refusal of Union negotiation, and capture of media spheres we're seeing right now.

Bernie's over all message is not just that AI development leads to job loss. I dont think he thinks AI development can be stopped. Rather what he is saying aligns with you perspective in that the job market needs to evolve. However he doesnt think it CAN evolve efficiently for the working class with massively hoarded resources and constantly skyrocketing prices. Unlike many capitalists and politicians Bernie visits places plagued by economic decimation and speaks to people there about what happened. He is advocating for more robust safety nets via more comprehensive taxation of those profiting the most from this change. For economics not to be looked at as a game some wealthy people won, but the foundation upon which citizens have security to be considered free.

So let’s raise taxes on the Uber wealthy, the ultra wealthy, and the wealthy.