agriculture exports, corona.

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  1. MVelsor

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    @Farmer Br0wn gonna be laughing at all those dumbasses who've been determined to call agriculture a pointless, dying welfare industry.
     
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    Edit: So predictable <Lmaoo>

    After I read that response I was like "I bet $ @NoDak will come back with some sexy farmer pic." :p
     
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    Interesting map, I am glad my country is still blue. I see Poland is not blue anymore. What do they mean by "food secure" like Germany? In my opinion those that export the most are secure because they have supplies and can decide anytime to sell only internally. Basically Canada, Australia, Brazil, France and Romania, and some smaller states also. Probably Germany deals with only a decent ammount of supply.
     
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    Surprised south Korea is food secure. Since it's pretty populated for being the size of new Jersey
     
  6. MVelsor

    MVelsor Leather Belt Platinum Member

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    As if food security isn't the most indispensable thing a sovereign nation can possess. What could possibly be more important than the ability to feed your population, especially if and when shit hits the fan? That's like national security numero uno papi chulo sticking dick to your chick's culo. There's a reason agriculture is at the core of the primary sector, it's kind of the basis of human civilization FFS.

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    I mean, why would I shit on 'flyover states' though? Sure, there's issues but it's not the south and my loyalty is kind of intense. I'm pretty sure nobody has put up a stronger defense of them on here, at least not of their home state.

    And in terms of fiscal stability, public banking, investment funds, personal income growth, K-12 education resources, 2A rights, extremely low violent crime rates, prison reform and refugee settlement, which US state is objectively doing it better?

    Wtf I come from there and I'm of that stock, I was a little farm boy. It is what it is. Don't hate on my state. :(
     
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    My data is old but Germany and Finland make about 75-80% of their own food by calorie iirc. Japan is about 40% by calorie
     
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    I fap to maps like this. Links please!
     
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    Hope I don’t get Kratom Corona..
     
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    MVelsor Leather Belt Platinum Member

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    I'm not even sure, but we've been beating this particular horse for a couple of years now over dozens of discussions. Give me agriculture, energy, industrial tech and I'll show you a superpower. Services aren't even a thing sans those, but grow exponentially sprung off from them.

    So yeah, go figure: America is the largest exporter of the first, largest producer of the second and holds the third in a virtual global vice grip. OTOH China isn't food secure, isn't energy independent and has fuck all for high tech. It's a fucking hype job shithouse. SIT DOWN.

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    See the other NoDak post, a country needs agriculture, industry and high tech. Brazil is doing VERY well on agriculture. We make a lot of money and famine has been eradicated. It's almost funny to see how short older Brazilians were, men standing 5'3" were common due to a lack of nutrients and protein.
    Brazil has a lot of rain, rivers, and flat land. The land is nutrient poor, excepting the mollisols of the south(they're very similar to the american plains) but that's not very important to modern agriculture. Having large, flat, deep soil is what matters since Brazil is also rich in fertilizers.
    Tropical agriculture has a bad record because before the advent of industrial fertilizers and tropical crops(plants have something called photoperiodism, look it up) it mostly failed. But we solved that problem back in the 80s.
    There is also no snow, frosts and with a million dollars you can buy a 1000 hectare farm while many Americans still farm their 100ha homesteads.
    Brazil does badly on high tech because most of the population has an IQ of 85.
    They're cheaper than in the US lol.
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    US agriculture is only possible through subsides as it's not profitable. The only way is to kick out the small farmers and create large corporate farms fueled by Mexican labor.
     
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    Definitely. Besides agricultural and tech I think heavy industry should be supported to some extent. You can't be ok if you can't make anythibg like autos, tanks or construction equipment without steel and aluminum production.

    It's amazing how much success China has had and how much if it is empty. It's mostly based on low wage and high subsidy industries. Which will probably trap much of China in the middle income trap
     
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    It's really too bad. IF.

    Land Costs Hamper US Competitiveness

    "In the U.S., as profits increase, so do land costs for American farmers," explained Yelto Zimmer, a senior crop economist at the Thuenen Institute of Farm Economics in Germany. He coordinates the global agri benchmark crop network which tracks economics of typical farms in 40 countries.

    "The U.S. has huge room to maneuver [by lowering land costs]," Zimmer said. "The U.S.'s low direct and operating costs give it a significant advantage over both typical farms in Mato Grosso (Brazil) and in Eastern Europe.

    "The biggest challenge to U.S. farmers will be how fast and how far rents will fall with lower farm gate prices," Zimmer said.

    High land rents account for about half of U.S. soybean costs, almost equal to direct, operating and other costs combined. For corn, land was more than a third of the total cost of production in the U.S, according to the data presented by Kelvin Leibold, a farm management specialist with Iowa State University Extension and Outreach.

    Partly offsetting that disadvantage is that U.S. and Ukraine have a tremendous competitive advantage in transporting grain to export markets. To transport corn from a typical farm in Iowa to the nearest port ($38/ton) or in the Ukraine to the nearest port ($12/ton), is much cheaper than in Brazil's Mato Grosso region ($120 /ton) or in Argentina ($60/ton) from farm to port.

    Bottom line: U.S. corn and soybean farmers are extremely competitive in the world market, if you don't include land costs.
     
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    It's at times like this that you hope organisations including government have retained some sort of corporate memory as to how these things were addressed in the past , 6 years of war with Ze Germanz being irksome enough to actively disrupt supplies to a population that largely didn't have fridges or freezers yet sufficient food was obtained,transported and distributed .
     
  15. MVelsor

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    Definitely, although I roll with the Brittanica definition. In this sense and for recent example, semiconductors would be part of heavy industry along with the capital equipment manufacturers.

    Heavy, or large-scale industry generally requires 'heavy' capital investment in plants and machinery, serves a large and diverse market including other manufacturing industries, has a complex industrial organization, frequently a skilled specialized labor force, and generates a large volume of output.
     
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    Word. Though I'd say that semis are more of s tech type but I agree that they are highly necessary. If there ever was another world War, we'd probably be asked to donate xboxs for the mother boards and processors.
     
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    We can build more railroads and river ports, good luck building more land.
    Anyway, we're all doing fine compared to Europe, just lol at British farmers.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...viser-farming-and-fisheries-are-not-important
     
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    Farmer Br0wn Farmer Br0wn belt

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    I met a Farmer from Britain once. Very nice guy. The "barn" (can't remember what he called it) in his farmyard was over 500 years old.

    Real Salt-of-the-Earth fella.
     
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    Farmer Br0wn Farmer Br0wn belt

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    Thanks for the kind words.

    Be safe.

    Travel well friend.
     
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