Agree or Disagree? Jacare > Weidman for all time great @185 as of right now.

[wearetheromans]

It's a solid point. Remember when jacare and romero were the top contenders and romero was just coming off the usada farce and had that ped stench following him around? Jacare was the obvious choice but they just kept giving him bs filler fights like Tim boetsch. So I gotta go with his point. Ufc just didn't like jacare for whatever reason. I doubt jacare fucked Dana White's wife or made a diss track about him. The only logical reason would be that he didn't look or sound the way he wanted him to. Think how lit bisping vs jacare would've been. This man is right.

Jacare would have dispatched any version of bisping easily

 

[Kono dio da!]

Jacare would have dispatched any version of bisping easily

Every fucking day of the week

 

[GoshiShun17]

@Pancake Sprawl weigh in

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

Again. Not a troll attempt I will lay out the facts.












First of all let me address this narrative that Jacare choked in every big opportunity given to him. This is utter crap.

First of all Jacare's career did not begin in the UFC. He was already a well established top MMA fighter before joining at the age of about 34-35 in his prime. At that same age Chris Weidman has been getting the shit kicked out of him.

After dropping his title to Luke he went on a 3 fight win streak. Then came to the UFC adding 4 more wins to that streak. With Rockhold he was given a big match right away to set up a titleshot. Again he got KTFO!!! How was Rockhold rewarded??? He headlined 2 out of his next 3 matches. This includes a match over big name Michael Bisping. Jacare in the other hand came in looking like a savage. After wrecking long time top middleweight Yushin Okami, for some strange reason he was matched up with Carmont. As if Jacare was a nobody or something. Anyway once again, Jacare capped off this win streak with a dominant stoppage win over Gegard, another long time elite established fighter. What was his reward????
Let's compare shall we.

Jacare 4 fight UFC win streak top win being Gegard Mousasi. 7 fight streak overall.

Luke went on a 3 fight streak after getting KOed. Top win was Bisping at that time.

Luke was rewarded with yet ANOTHER headliner against big name Lyoto Machida whilst Jacare had to rematch Camozzi on the same card.

Camozzi was a replacement you say??? It's still bullshit as Jacare had done enough to earn a shot already. Or at least a headliner against Luke/Machida.

Are people really trying to pretend that Luke didn't get opportunities and push that Jacare did not? As far as Chris goes, @Franklin U. said it best, "timing and circumstances."

Now obviously Jacare is older than the other 2 so he did decline but even older Jacare is holding his own better than not as old Chris Weidman who was DEFINITELY losing the fights against Rockhold, Romero, and Mousasi. The first rounds of each fight were very close but in the second round of each one you will notice his opponents start to take over and it's very clear.

As far as Jacare's looks and the way he speaks, YES it would have helped if he was more handsome, and spoke great English.

People keep talking about the ufc belt, when ultimately that is fantasy. That is just a marketing tool. If you ask mist casual fans, Chris Weidman easily had the better career, but if you ask the fighters, it's obvious that Jacare has done more work.

that's all nice, but it doesn't change the fact that jacare has lost every single fight that would have gotten him a titleshot, ALL 4 FIGHTS.

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[Do better]

Look closely at their careers. Weidman's claim to fame is dethroning Silva and being UFC MW champ for a bit. Jacare has a better resume overall and has been competing for longer. He just never got the same opportunities as Weidman when it comes to the UFC, because he doesn't look or talk like Weidman.

Weidman has clearly had the better career, he reached the top

 

[Everbest]

Jacare is the better fighter.

Weidman is more decorated.

I go with Jacare because being better matters more than titles. Those need politics and so on.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

i think Jacare has had a better career. just Weidman dethroned a King emphatically. people shouldn't put much weight into Jacare not obtaining a title, he was basically fucked over by the UFC at least once, and by the judges at least once during his key fights.

Weidman had the shinier win, but Jacare has had longevity and pretty good consistency. the only consistency Weidman has had lately is in getting his ass kicked.

 

[Rek Rekington]

LOL you are reporting him for what??

You too.

Spoiler

reported.

 

[GoshiShun17]

He wasn't looked over. He repeatedly said he wasn't ready to fight Silva.

It was a pretty big deal.

By the time Jacare signed with the UFC Anderson had been dethroned and recovering from a broken leg.

I didn't know Weidman was a talking needle mover. That's news to me

Compared to someone who wasn't speaking English at all, who do you think an American business would rather push??,

 

[dildos]

overall weidman is greater based on getting the belt and defending. jacare was robbed of titleshots at different times and faced better fighters and beat better fighters, not to mention knocking weidman out in the most comical fashion.

but good question @GoshiShun17 i would expect even answers for both fighters.

 

[dildos]

Jacare is the best fighter at 185 that didn't become a champ. ufc screwed him too many times.

that would be romero.

 

[Loiosh]

By the time Jacare signed with the UFC Anderson had been dethroned and recovering from a broken leg.

Untrue, check the records.

Jacare was fighting for the UFC before Weidman fought Silva the first time. A lot of people were begging for Jacare-Silva.

 

[GoshiShun17]

i think Jacare has had a better career. just Weidman dethroned a King emphatically. people shouldn't put much weight into Jacare not obtaining a title, he was basically fucked over by the UFC at least once, and by the judges at least once during his key fights.

Weidman had the shinier win, but Jacare has had longevity and pretty good consistency. the only consistency Weidman has had lately is in getting his ass kicked.

Very well said and perfectly concise.

overall weidman is greater based on getting the belt and defending. jacare was robbed of titleshots at different times and faced better fighters and beat better fighters, not to mention knocking weidman out in the most comical fashion.

but good question @GoshiShun17 i would expect even answers for both fighters.

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@BRASIL WAND where you at ??

 

[GoshiShun17]

Untrue, check the records.

Jacare was fighting for the UFC before Weidman fought Silva the first time. A lot of people were begging for Jacare-Silva.

I didn't check but it had to be within the same year. 2013 I believe it was. Silva and Weidman fought back to back in the same year. They definitely rushed the rematch for the UFC to make that $$$$

 

[Iron Nick]

Very well said and perfectly concise.

It took you long enough lol. @MescalineDreams @Ironnik94 @drbolony where y'all at. Don't worry, if you disagree, your still my boys!!!

@BRASIL WAND where you at ??

I think it's fair enough to say that Jacare is better, both at the moment and based on accomplishments.
Weidman's win against Silva is great, BUT - and i think this might gets overseen some times - as good as Weidman was when he beat Silva, i don't think he was ever that much of a world-beater, it's just that Silva is extremely prone to wrestlers who have decent striking and submission defense, so yeah... apart from that, Weidman has lost damn often in devastating fashion - 5 of his last 6 fights have been losses by either KO or TKO. Jacare on the other hand lost a few decisions, but finished all of his opponents in between those losses, while he has only been finished once in the last 12 years (!).

 

[fortheo]

Look at the competition that Souza fought and beat vs the competition that Weidman did. Look at their performances against common opponents. Weidman didn't have to beat anyone to get a title shot.

You are putting too much weight on the belt. Jacare had done enough to earn a shot as soon as he entered the UFC but was looked over.

What do you mean Maia didn't beat anyone to earn a shot? Maia and munoz were both top 5 guys and well respected in the division at that time when Weidman beat them. Being undefeated helped him get a title shot, but any one who beats two top 5 guys is in the title mix.

 

[kevinramsdell]

Rich Franklin > both of them

Look closely at their careers. Weidman's claim to fame is dethroning Silva and being UFC MW champ for a bit. Jacare has a better resume overall and has been competing for longer. He just never got the same opportunities as Weidman when it comes to the UFC, because he doesn't look or talk like Weidman.

 

[GoshiShun17]

What do you mean Maia didn't beat anyone to earn a shot? Maia and munoz were both top 5 guys and well respected in the division at that time when Weidman beat them. Being undefeated helped him get a title shot, but any one who beats two top 5 guys is in the title mix.

They were ranked top 5 at the time. But as I pointed out already, the rankings can be highly subjective and always favor fighters signed to the UFC.

It's pretty obvious that the skillset of Maia and even more so Muhnoz didn't stand the test of time at 185. Maia is a highly skilled specialist but he wasn't big or athletic enough to compete with the very best that we've seen at 185.

Muhnoz was ranked top 5 for 1 second....maybe.

 

[fortheo]

They were ranked top 5 at the time. But as I pointed out already, the rankings can be highly subjective and always favor fighters signed to the UFC.

It's pretty obvious that the skillset of Maia and even more so Muhnoz didn't stand the test of time at 185. Maia is a highly skilled specialist but he wasn't big or athletic enough to compete with the very best that we've seen at 185.

Muhnoz was ranked top 5 for 1 second....maybe.

I disagree, especially with Maia. I think Maia could still beat a lot of top ten guys at MW. He only lost to top guys up there that were bad style match ups for him, and he arguably shouldn't have one of those "losses"

 

[Mike]

I feel like people who say this are either unaware of or simply choose to ignore Andy's career

It's an absurd excuse. He always taunted like that. He turned it up to 11 in that fight because he was getting beat up.