Agree or Disagree? Jacare > Weidman for all time great @185 as of right now.

Weidman's resume looks better. I think maybe this thread is too influenced by Weidman's bad losing streak- he loses out in terms of longevity to Jacare that's for sure. In their prime though, Weidman seemed to be more unbeatable and has better top wins overall.

It's not true that Weidman was gifted a title shot over Jacare. No one thought Jacare was the #1 contender around the time Chris Weidman got his title shot.
 
Weidman - 7 ranked wins - 4 championship titles
#1 fighters defeated (1):
Silva
Top 5 fighters defeated (3):
Belfort
Machida
Silva
Top 10 fighters defeated (3):
Gastelum
Munoz
Maia

vs

Jacare - 6 ranked wins - 0 championship titles
#1 fighters defeated (0):
.
Top 5 fighters defeated (3):
Weidman
Belfort
Okami
Top 10 fighters defeated (3):
Brunson
Mousasi
Carmont

Cool story bro.

Rankings made by who?
Anyways, if Munoz, Maia, Carmont or Brunson qualify as a top ten win, so are Robbie Lawler and Tim Kennedy for Jacare.
 
Rankings make by who?
Anyways, if Munoz, Maia, Carmont or Brunson qualify as a top ten win, so are Robbie Lawler and Tim Kennedy for Jacare.
Exactly what I was going to respond. Tge rankings are highly subjective and designed to favor UFC signed fighters.
 
It's not true that Weidman was gifted a title shot over Jacare. No one thought Jacare was the #1 contender around the time Chris Weidman got his title shot.

Nobody is saying so.
We are just saying that if Weidman went to finish Okami or Mousasi as Jacare did, he would have got his deserved tittle shot just like he did for beating Munoz
 
Weidman's resume looks better. I think maybe this thread is too influenced by Weidman's bad losing streak- he loses out in terms of longevity to Jacare that's for sure. In their prime though, Weidman seemed to be more unbeatable and has better top wins overall.

It's not true that Weidman was gifted a title shot over Jacare. No one thought Jacare was the #1 contender around the time Chris Weidman got his title shot.
I never said Weidman was gifted a shot over Souza. That would not make sense because Jacare was not signed with the UFC at that time. But I can and will show very clear evidence that he was looked over in favor of other fighters who were arguably less deserving.
 
First of all, Jacare is well older than Weidman and has been fighting longer.
He lost a VERY close fight to Luke. Weidman got destroyed by a staff infected Luke.

Weidman got destroyed by Yoel. Jacare was arguably robbed in that fight. Yoel had to grab the fence multiple times.

Nothing was controversial about Weidman's loss to Mousasi. He fuccin quit. Jacare wrecked Moose.

Gastelum is a good win for Weidman. But then Jacare knocked Weidman out so...
Weidman held his own against Rockhold, Yoel and Mousasi.

He was probably losing to Luke even before the attempt at spinning but he wasn't destroyed.

Against Yoel it was competitive until the knee which would have KO'ed pretty much anyone.

And against Mousasi, well... If you watch it frame by frame his hand was still touching the canvas. But yeah he kinda did quit.

Your post sounds a little too much like MMAth. Yeah, Jacare KO'ed Weidman but he had a very fast decline in the last few years. Maybe it was USADA or age or the accumulated damage. But beating Weidman when Jacare did is not the same as when he won the title.
 
Jacare best wins:
Weidman
Mousasi
Vitor
Lawler
Kennedy

Weidman best wins:
Silva 2x
Vitor
Machida
Gastelum
Maia
 
Jacare definitely should've gotten the nod in the Romero and KG fights

Weidman's win over Machida was a solid win at the time (Machida looked great against Moose)


If you count the Romero and KG fights as wins than Jacare has the better claim to all time great but if you don't it's hard to argue. Both guys were arguable #1 MW's in the world at their peaks but Weidman's win over Silva and Machida trumps Jacare's wins over Moose, and Okami
 
Look at the competition that Souza fought and beat vs the competition that Weidman did. Look at their performances against common opponents. Weidman didn't have to beat anyone to get a title shot.

You are putting too much weight on the belt. Jacare had done enough to earn a shot as soon as he entered the UFC but was looked over.

Lol, you are putting no weight on the belt. Fighters fight to be the best. Jacare never was. Chris was.

Really easy to see Weidman > Jacare
 
This is a very , very weak troll attempt.
Again. Not a troll attempt I will lay out the facts.

Jacare choked every time he got close to the title

Christopher took advantage of his opportunity

He wasn't supposed to fight Camozzi, that fight was supposed to be against Yoel, but he got injured, Camozzi was on a couple of days notice IIRC.

He wasn't in the mix when Weidman got his shot, Machida and Belfort were ahead in the queue and then Rockhold had rebuilt himself by crushing people. After that I agree he should have got a shot.

are people really still going with this narrative? lmao.


jacare lost EVERY SINGLE FIGHT that would have gotten him the titleshot had he won, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

I gotta play devil's advocate though. Unless beating Chris camozzi 100 times, yushin okamk or eternal gatekeeper gegard gets you a title shot, jacare didn't have top shelf wins did he? He beat post trt, post Weidman still dangerous but not quite there Vitor, lost to romero no shame but still an L. Had he beaten a 2016 1 2017 rockhold, a gastelum or some shit then I'd agree. But to be fair he never suffered the Weidman slump. That's an eternal shit stain on weidman's career. Weidman ruined silva, beat machida, Vitor and even past his prime was able to defeat gastelum. Those are better wins than any of jacare's ufc wins with fewer fights and less mma experience. So let's be fair about this.

No, that's stupid as fuck.

Weidman was the #1 MW in the world for years. Jacare has never been.

Weidman held his own against Rockhold, Yoel and Mousasi.

He was probably losing to Luke even before the attempt at spinning but he wasn't destroyed.

Against Yoel it was competitive until the knee which would have KO'ed pretty much anyone.

And against Mousasi, well... If you watch it frame by frame his hand was still touching the canvas. But yeah he kinda did quit.

Your post sounds a little too much like MMAth. Yeah, Jacare KO'ed Weidman but he had a very fast decline in the last few years. Maybe it was USADA or age or the accumulated damage. But beating Weidman when Jacare did is not the same as when he won the title.
First of all let me address this narrative that Jacare choked in every big opportunity given to him. This is utter crap.

First of all Jacare's career did not begin in the UFC. He was already a well established top MMA fighter before joining at the age of about 34-35 in his prime. At that same age Chris Weidman has been getting the shit kicked out of him.

After dropping his title to Luke he went on a 3 fight win streak. Then came to the UFC adding 4 more wins to that streak. With Rockhold he was given a big match right away to set up a titleshot. Again he got KTFO!!! How was Rockhold rewarded??? He headlined 2 out of his next 3 matches. This includes a match over big name Michael Bisping. Jacare in the other hand came in looking like a savage. After wrecking long time top middleweight Yushin Okami, for some strange reason he was matched up with Carmont. As if Jacare was a nobody or something. Anyway once again, Jacare capped off this win streak with a dominant stoppage win over Gegard, another long time elite established fighter. What was his reward????
Let's compare shall we.

Jacare 4 fight UFC win streak top win being Gegard Mousasi. 7 fight streak overall.

Luke went on a 3 fight streak after getting KOed. Top win was Bisping at that time.

Luke was rewarded with yet ANOTHER headliner against big name Lyoto Machida whilst Jacare had to rematch Camozzi on the same card.

Camozzi was a replacement you say??? It's still bullshit as Jacare had done enough to earn a shot already. Or at least a headliner against Luke/Machida.

Are people really trying to pretend that Luke didn't get opportunities and push that Jacare did not? As far as Chris goes, @Franklin U. said it best, "timing and circumstances."

Now obviously Jacare is older than the other 2 so he did decline but even older Jacare is holding his own better than not as old Chris Weidman who was DEFINITELY losing the fights against Rockhold, Romero, and Mousasi. The first rounds of each fight were very close but in the second round of each one you will notice his opponents start to take over and it's very clear.

As far as Jacare's looks and the way he speaks, YES it would have helped if he was more handsome, and spoke great English.

People keep talking about the ufc belt, when ultimately that is fantasy. That is just a marketing tool. If you ask mist casual fans, Chris Weidman easily had the better career, but if you ask the fighters, it's obvious that Jacare has done more work.
 
Jacare definitely should've gotten the nod in the Romero and KG fights

Weidman's win over Machida was a solid win at the time (Machida looked great against Moose)


If you count the Romero and KG fights as wins than Jacare has the better claim to all time great but if you don't it's hard to argue. Both guys were arguable #1 MW's in the world at their peaks but Weidman's win over Silva and Machida trumps Jacare's wins over Moose, and Okami

Jacare in no way won either of those fights.
 
Jacare will have had the better career while Weidman reached a higher peak in his career. Jacare has never been the best and he always lost the #1 contender fights like Bisping. Weidman on the other hand has solid wins and dethroned the MW GOAT and made it look easy.
 
Again. Not a troll attempt I will lay out the facts.












First of all let me address this narrative that Jacare choked in every big opportunity given to him. This is utter crap.

First of all Jacare's career did not begin in the UFC. He was already a well established top MMA fighter before joining at the age of about 34-35 in his prime. At that same age Chris Weidman has been getting the shit kicked out of him.

After dropping his title to Luke he went on a 3 fight win streak. Then came to the UFC adding 4 more wins to that streak. With Rockhold he was given a big match right away to set up a titleshot. Again he got KTFO!!! How was Rockhold rewarded??? He headlined 2 out of his next 3 matches. This includes a match over big name Michael Bisping. Jacare in the other hand came in looking like a savage. After wrecking long time top middleweight Yushin Okami, for some strange reason he was matched up with Carmont. As if Jacare was a nobody or something. Anyway once again, Jacare capped off this win streak with a dominant stoppage win over Gegard, another long time elite established fighter. What was his reward????
Let's compare shall we.

Jacare 4 fight UFC win streak top win being Gegard Mousasi. 7 fight streak overall.

Luke went on a 3 fight streak after getting KOed. Top win was Bisping at that time.

Luke was rewarded with yet ANOTHER headliner against big name Lyoto Machida whilst Jacare had to rematch Camozzi.

Camozzi was a replacement you say??? It's still bullshit as Jacare had done enough to earn a shot already. Or at least a headliner against Luke/Machida.

Are people really trying to pretend that Luke didn't get opportunities and push that Jacare did not? As far as Chris goes, @Franklin U. said it best, "timing and circumstances."

Now obviously Jacare is older than the other 2 so he did decline but even older Jacare is holding his own better than not as old Chris Weidman who was DEFINITELY losing the fights against Rockhold, Yoek, and Mousasi. The first rounds of each fight were very close but in the second round of each one you will notice his opponents start to take over and it's very clear.

As far as Jacare's looks and the way he speaks, YES it would have helped if he was more handsome, and spoke great English.

People keep talking about the ufc belt, when ultimately that is fantasy. That is just a marketing tool. If you ask mist casual fans, Chris Weidman easily had the better career, but if you ask the fighters, it's obvious that Jacare has done more work.
Fair play. Jacare did get fucked by the UFC several times.
 
Again. Not a troll attempt I will lay out the facts.












First of all let me address this narrative that Jacare choked in every big opportunity given to him. This is utter crap.

First of all Jacare's career did not begin in the UFC. He was already a well established top MMA fighter before joining at the age of about 34-35 in his prime. At that same age Chris Weidman has been getting the shit kicked out of him.

After dropping his title to Luke he went on a 3 fight win streak. Then came to the UFC adding 4 more wins to that streak. With Rockhold he was given a big match right away to set up a titleshot. Again he got KTFO!!! How was Rockhold rewarded??? He headlined 2 out of his next 3 matches. This includes a match over big name Michael Bisping. Jacare in the other hand came in looking like a savage. After wrecking long time top middleweight Yushin Okami, for some strange reason he was matched up with Carmont. As if Jacare was a nobody or something. Anyway once again, Jacare capped off this win streak with a dominant stoppage win over Gegard, another long time elite established fighter. What was his reward????
Let's compare shall we.

Jacare 4 fight UFC win streak top win being Gegard Mousasi. 7 fight streak overall.

Luke went on a 3 fight streak after getting KOed. Top win was Bisping at that time.

Luke was rewarded with yet ANOTHER headliner against big name Lyoto Machida whilst Jacare had to rematch Camozzi on the same card.

Camozzi was a replacement you say??? It's still bullshit as Jacare had done enough to earn a shot already. Or at least a headliner against Luke/Machida.

Are people really trying to pretend that Luke didn't get opportunities and push that Jacare did not? As far as Chris goes, @Franklin U. said it best, "timing and circumstances."

Now obviously Jacare is older than the other 2 so he did decline but even older Jacare is holding his own better than not as old Chris Weidman who was DEFINITELY losing the fights against Rockhold, Romero, and Mousasi. The first rounds of each fight were very close but in the second round of each one you will notice his opponents start to take over and it's very clear.

As far as Jacare's looks and the way he speaks, YES it would have helped if he was more handsome, and spoke great English.

People keep talking about the ufc belt, when ultimately that is fantasy. That is just a marketing tool. If you ask mist casual fans, Chris Weidman easily had the better career, but if you ask the fighters, it's obvious that Jacare has done more work.
None of that matters. He never won the title. He never even fought for the title. He lost the title eliminator fights against Whittaker and Gastelum. Weidman fought his way to the top, won the title against Anderson Silva and defended it twice. Whenever Jacare fought the top dogs he lost. When it comes to someone's legacy you can argue what carries more weight but it's undeniable that Weidman is way way above Jacare.
 
Look at the competition that Souza fought and beat vs the competition that Weidman did. Look at their performances against common opponents. Weidman didn't have to beat anyone to get a title shot.

You are putting too much weight on the belt. Jacare had done enough to earn a shot as soon as he entered the UFC but was looked over.

He wasn't looked over. He repeatedly said he wasn't ready to fight Silva.

It was a pretty big deal.
 
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