ADCC 2019

ADCC should just say fuck it and embrace the PED lifestyle and look for supplement sponsors who always "accidentally" add illegal/banned substances (the old MMA excuse of "tainted supplements).
 
@BJJ_Rage I did a quick Google.

Since their 2017 absolute finals match Gordon has had 37 no-gi matches (going 36-1) and Pena has had 7 no-gi matches (going 5-2).

Gordon won 25 out of his 36 wins by submission (and only 2 were leg locks funny enough.) Most were RNC. His 1 loss was by points to Vinny.

Pena won 3 of his 5 wins by submission. 1 of his losses was by submission to Tex Johnson and the other loss was by points to Andre Galvao.

Again Pena may be the overall more well rounded gi and no-gi but if I had to grapple only no-gi and had to be magically gifted one of their games it would be Gordon’s.
 
mataleaos said:
One interesting thing he said is how slow and not very explosive or athletic Gordon is. I’ve said it for several years now.
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Gordon was more athletic at -88. He does body building with some thot so it's not surprising he isn't as athletic as someone who has a real S&C coach.
 
yetanother said:
There is a huge jump into actually being at an elite level.
Levi/Lachlan/Craig and head and shoulder above the guys you mentioned.
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In a competitive sense absolutely, others are on the way
 
kenpeters8 said:
F*** the gi. ADCC is way more prestigious than any gi shit tournament. Nogi >>>>>>> gi anyday. Way toooooo many rules in gi. And it's unrealistic. Nogi all the way.
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Calm down bud. How is gi unrealistic? Just watch MMA if you want to watch fights.

We need a organization with heavy backing to do a GI ADCC every two years like ADCC and allow heel hooks and reaping. I'd pay good money for that.
 
mataleaos said:
I really despise his behavior but man that’s some tough standards. He swept Buchecha and Buchecha wasn’t trying to engage that much either. Also before the absolute bracket even starts all those guys are exhausted.

Besides that he submitted 6 or 7 for 8 matches (all RNC too I think) while being injured and not fully recovered. He also did it using a surprisingly small number of techniques. Knee rap takedowns. Half guard passes to mount to the back. Butterfly guard to back or hooks sweeps back into the half guard pass series.

Keenan was commentating and was saying that Gordon is so far ahead of everyone and says that he’s have had no shot to beat him. One interesting thing he said is how slow and not very explosive or athletic Gordon is. I’ve said it for several years now.

Sure he’s big and strong. I’ve felt his grips and they’re strong. But he is kind of a slow guy and Keenan was just saying he has to slowly dismantle you. He’s sort of the no-gi version of Roger.

Pena has the two wins over him but I don’t see how anyone can look at Gordon’s technique and how he’s buzz sawing through everyone and not think he’s the last guy anyone wants to face no-gi.

Totally serious question. If you were forced to choose would you rather have Pena’s no-gi game and skills or Gordon’s no-gi game and skills?
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I agree bro, Gordon isn’t keynan Duarte, explosiveness isn’t his thing. Is ridiculous how he destroys people, all but pena (and buchecha) I think the analogy from him and roger is right on.

That’s why sadly, I see him going the exact same way as Roger in mma. Gary tonon I think will have a much better career in mma..
 
BJJ_Rage said:
I agree bro, Gordon isn’t keynan Duarte, explosiveness isn’t his thing. Is ridiculous how he destroys people, all but pena (and buchecha) I think the analogy from him and roger is right on.

That’s why sadly, I see him going the exact same way as Roger in mma. Gary tonon I think will have a much better career in mma..
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What's the analogy with him and Roger? Why do you think Tonnon will do better, more athleticism and closer to his natural weight?
 
mattemate said:
What's the analogy with him and Roger? Why do you think Tonnon will do better, more athleticism and closer to his natural weight?
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Him destroying people methodically.

Yes, I think tonon is more athletic, more explosive.
 
yetanother said:
Gordon was more athletic at -88. He does body building with some thot so it's not surprising he isn't as athletic as someone who has a real S&C coach.
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No disagreements there. He was more athletic at -88 and he was also not 100% healed for this new ADCC so he was moving slower. I'm not saying he's not an athlete. But he's not as athletic as other ADCC legends like Galvao, Marcelo, or even Braulio.

But I really stand behind my overall point. I've rolled with him several times. When he was in the 170s in 2016. When he was in the 180s in 2017. And in 2018 when he was well over 210 lbs.

He never moved very explosively or quickly. In rooms full of brown and black belts he me moved the same pace the entire time (at least an hour each time) and it was about the same speed you see him move in the entirety of his match catalogue. Mid-tempo and rarely rushing outside of an occasional scramble. One thing that I didn't catch early on was my friend who is a Mendes Bros black belt that hates no-gi told be after Gordon's first EBI that he was now a Gordon fan because Gordon "moved slowly and deliberately like a gi guy."
 
mattemate said:
What's the analogy with him and Roger? Why do you think Tonnon will do better, more athleticism and closer to his natural weight?
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You didn't ask me but Tonon is so much more explosive and athletic? Did you see his match with Canuto? The highlights are here. https://tinyurl.com/yxjlbxnr Gordon isn't to move like that. Keenan Cornelius live commentated ADCC on day 2 and said Gordon is one of the slowest grapplers he's ever rolled with but that he can't do anything to him.

The analogies to Roger and Gordon are the fact that they're both really big guys that aren't psrticularly athletic and they sort of slowly and systematically dismantle people in a way where everyone knows what they're going to do and yet can't stop them from doing it. With Roger it was the cross choke from mount and with Gordon it's the rear naked choke from the back.
 
Tebowned said:
Calm down bud. How is gi unrealistic? Just watch MMA if you want to watch fights.

We need a organization with heavy backing to do a GI ADCC every two years like ADCC and allow heel hooks and reaping. I'd pay good money for that.
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Heel hook are tricky in gi just because shit gets caught up in the fabric. Little bit more of an injury risk but meh fuck it. I'd love a gi tournament with a no fucks given rule set.

Slamming, reaping, ADCC scoring, all the good shit.
 
Tebowned said:
Calm down bud. How is gi unrealistic? Just watch MMA if you want to watch fights.

We need a organization with heavy backing to do a GI ADCC every two years like ADCC and allow heel hooks and reaping. I'd pay good money for that.
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ain't gonna happen. f*** the gi. nogi is the real deal in grappling. gi is too outdated and crap.
 
kenpeters8 said:
ain't gonna happen. f*** the gi. nogi is the real deal in grappling. gi is too outdated and crap.
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That's your opinion. One not shared by most of the world's community judging by the number Judo, Sambo and Jiu-Jitsu players in the the world.
 
Am I correct that spinal submissions, e.g. neck cranks and twisters are not allowed under ADCC rules?
I'd like to see Gordon go up against a high level Luta Livre guy.
They've been training for decades without Gi and have always used leg locks.
Secondly what would stop a high level D1 wrestler from competing, getting takedowns then standing back up? Basically winning by takedown points alone.
 
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kenpeters8 said:
F*** the gi. ADCC is way more prestigious than any gi shit tournament. Nogi >>>>>>> gi anyday. Way toooooo many rules in gi. And it's unrealistic. Nogi all the way.
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I have to say you're spot on here and I train and love both
 
FELLA said:
Secondly what would stop a high level D1 wrestler from competing, getting takedowns then standing back up? Basically winning by takedown points alone.
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They are forced to engage or otherwise they eat penalty points.
In recent times pure wrestlers tend to be leg locked.
See Rustam Chsiev this year.
Also ADCC rules don't score takedowns to turtle so if you don't have back taking skill you are at a disadvantage.
 
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