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International Active US Air Force member self-immolates outside Israel Embassy in Washington

spamking said:
In my case, I had seen him like a week before and he seemed to be fine. Seemed like he was happy. He had a rough childhood and was able to turn things around and it was good until the marriage problems brought old trauma back into his mind.

I can't fathom why anyone would feel like it makes one lick of sense to praise the actions of this particular Airmen. The arrogance of it all just screams like they're completely out of touch with reality.
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I don’t see many people “praising” him in this thread, more so people expressing a level of understanding and sympathy for the situation and his attempts to draw attention to atrocities. This is against the backdrop of extremes from the pro-Israel crowd: “OMG, this blue -haired he/she idiot is certifiable!”

Regardless of effect, some people (myself included) tend to respect people who stand on principe and their convictions- this is particularly true as culture becomes increasingly superficial and self-serving. I don’t agree with this guys tactics, and it sounds like he had rather unconventional ideas beyond just horror at what is happening in Palestine.

On the other hand, we have people trying to arm chair psychologist that he was insane in order to diminish his actual message (some would even prefer the news hid his motives)

He seemed pretty clear about his objections to the Israel/Palestine conflict, and on that point alone many agree.
 
PhitePhan said:
I don’t see many people “praising” him in this thread, more so people expressing a level of understanding and sympathy for the situation and his attempts to draw attention to atrocities. This is against the backdrop of extremes from the pro-Israel crowd: “OMG, this blue -haired he/she idiot is certifiable!”

Regardless of effect, some people (myself included) tend to respect people who stand on principe and their convictions- this is particularly true as culture becomes increasingly superficial and self-serving. I don’t agree with this guys tactics, and it sounds like he had rather unconventional ideas beyond just horror at what is happening in Palestine.

On the other hand, we have people trying to arm chair psychologist that he was insane in order to diminish his actual message (some would even prefer the news hid his motives)

He seemed pretty clear about his objections to the Israel/Palestine conflict, and on that point alone many agree.
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Do you have to be a psychologist to know this guy was insane? He set himself on fire for no god damn reason. Nothing will change. His sacrifice was pointless and is worth nothing. Who knows what damage and worry he's caused to the people who love him. I can't even imagine what his parents are going through right now.

Have we really reach the point where we are questioning whether you are insane or not for lighting yourself on fire which we know 100% will accomplish nothing?
 
method115 said:
Do you have to be a psychologist to know this guy was insane? He set himself on fire for no god damn reason. Nothing will change. His sacrifice was pointless and is worth nothing. Who knows what damage and worry he's caused to the people who love him. I can't even imagine what his parents are going through right now.

Have we really reach the point where we are questioning whether you are insane or not for lighting yourself on fire which we know 100% will accomplish nothing?
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But he DID have a reason, and he spelled it out pretty clearly for all to see. The fact that you nor I fully understand his reason or agree with it doesn’t diminish the fact that he had a reason to do what he did.

Was it the right thing to do? Was it helpful? Did he have other options? Will it accomplish anything? Was he depressed or otherwise mentally unwell?

These are legitimate questions, but ones we have little insight to currently. Nonetheless, we have one side using this event to paint the opposition as mentally ill and stupid… he may be either or both, but so far we have very little to go on and the act of sacrificing oneself for “the greater good” does not automatically mean mental illness.
 
method115 said:
Do you have to be a psychologist to know this guy was insane?
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He clearly was deliberate and intentional in his actions and had a rationale. So no, he was not insane.

method115 said:
He set himself on fire for no god damn reason.
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He gave reasons.

method115 said:
Nothing will change.
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You dont know that.

method115 said:
His sacrifice was pointless and is worth nothing
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Not true
method115 said:
Who knows what damage and worry he's caused to the people who love him. I can't even imagine what his parents are going through right now.
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Indeed that is sad, but they knew he was someone of conviction and he was drawing attention to the thousands people who have lost relatives also in the conflict.

Like this guy

www.bbc.co.uk

'Who will call me Dad?' Tears of Gaza father who lost 103 relatives

Ahmad al-Ghuferi's wife, mother and daughters were killed when a strike hit the home where they sheltered.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

method115 said:
Have we really reach the point where we are questioning whether you are insane or not for lighting yourself on fire which we know 100% will accomplish nothing?
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Is it less insane than supporting or helping light others such as women and small children on fire?
 
PhitePhan said:
I don’t see many people “praising” him in this thread, more so people expressing a level of understanding and sympathy for the situation and his attempts to draw attention to atrocities. This is against the backdrop of extremes from the pro-Israel crowd: “OMG, this blue -haired he/she idiot is certifiable!”
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I see invoking martyrdom and/or self-sacrifice trying to equate this act to someone dying to save the life of another as praising the guy. We can understand a commitment to a cause and be sympathetic to the insanity of it all, but still see it for what it was . . . an action taken by someone confused and not mentally fit.

Regardless of effect, some people (myself included) tend to respect people who stand on principe and their convictions- this is particularly true as culture becomes increasingly superficial and self-serving. I don’t agree with this guys tactics, and it sounds like he had rather unconventional ideas beyond just horror at what is happening in Palestine.
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I think we all respect people who stand on principle and stick with their convictions, but there is most definitely a line that gets crossed where that respect might change to disbelief and cause us to take another stance more in line with seeing as the actions of someone in a mental crisis.

On the other hand, we have people trying to arm chair psychologist that he was insane in order to diminish his actual message (some would even prefer the news hid his motives)

He seemed pretty clear about his objections to the Israel/Palestine conflict, and on that point alone many agree.
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There is plenty of this on either side of this issue. Self-immolation should NEVER be glorified and seen as something other than the actions of a crazy person. I don't care how committed they might be to a cause or how strong the seem to be in their convictions. Just because his actions has generated such heated discussions doesn't mean the topic of those discussions are what he intended to happen. We're not necessarily discussing how any of us are re-thinking our positions as it relates to the Israel/Palestine conflict. We're all commenting about the mental state of this person and how crazy the idea of him doing this is instead.
 
spamking said:
Anyone who sets themselves on fire is insane. I don't understand how that is a controversial opinion here.
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Any action has to be seen in context and based on intent. Self immolation is a recognized form of extreme protest, more commonly seen in the East like Tibet.
 
These Pro-Palestine Protesters have become like the Climate activists and whatever they say I want to support the opposite cause. They're basically the same muppets who were once yelling "Mask Up".."BLM" and I "Stand with Ukraine". There's a video of a bunch of those blue hair hags and their subservient men harrasing Jerry Seinfeld of all people and then calling him a "Nazi"...Clowns
 
I guess the free Palestine movement is the new Momo challenge but for adults.





People being brainwashed to kill themselves to morally support Hamas terrorists that brutally kill innocent women, elderly, and children.


How horrific.
 
PhitePhan said:
But he DID have a reason, and he spelled it out pretty clearly for all to see. The fact that you nor I fully understand his reason or agree with it doesn’t diminish the fact that he had a reason to do what he did.

Was it the right thing to do? Was it helpful? Did he have other options? Will it accomplish anything? Was he depressed or otherwise mentally unwell?

These are legitimate questions, but ones we have little insight to currently. Nonetheless, we have one side using this event to paint the opposition as mentally ill and stupid… he may be either or both, but so far we have very little to go on and the act of sacrificing oneself for “the greater good” does not automatically mean mental illness.
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PhitePhan said:
Was it the right thing to do?
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lol... Really?

This is NOT a legitimate question
 
Lucas1980 said:
These Pro-Palestine Protesters have become like the Climate activists and whatever they say I want to support the opposite cause. They're basically the same muppets who were once yelling "Mask Up".."BLM" and I "Stand with Ukraine". There's a video of a bunch of those blue hair hags and their subservient men harrasing Jerry Seinfeld of all people and then calling him a "Nazi"...Clowns
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I'm convinced a huge majority of these protestors are paid and bussed to locations

lol at the mass produced signs.

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Scerpi said:
I'm convinced a huge majority of these protestors are paid and bussed to locations

lol at the mass produced signs.

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It's highly reminiscent of what we witnessed during the BLM riots and the Climate Activists. I do believe a large number of these "Protests" are indeed funded one way or another.....And don't any of these people have jobs and homes and families to care for?
 
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