International Active US Air Force member self-immolates outside Israel Embassy in Washington

[SakurabasEar]

All the people clawing at the "does such and such power structure give a fuck," to belittle him. To me, it just sounds like you're wrestling with the emotions his act was meant to give you. Shame. And you're coping. That's fine, but it is what it is. He knew that what we were doing was too evil to live with, and he wanted to make sure you felt your shame. And now you do. So, he was successful in as much as possible.

I don't feel shame at all, I'm just a bit confused as to why a fellow white has lit himself on fire on behalf of arabs because they are getting killed by jews

Being anti foreign wars is just fine in my book, but I have no clue what lighting yourself on fire is going to accomplish these days given we have a meme culture and a public attention span of 2 days

 

[Blayt7hh]

first accept that you misunderstood my position and admit that I have never argued that 7 billion people should agree with me or change their position based on what this man did.. you also moved the goal posts to "well thought out positions' in your last post but here is what you said to begin the dispute between us..

From a logical standpoint, his actions should not affect how you think about the situation. Even with what you said, that you would think differently about it and more deeply now, frankly you shouldn’t. That’s just emotional manipulation and a literal logical fallacy.

All he did was draw attention to a situation. He made no actual argument for his case.


here is my position in full.

sacrificial love Is NOT insanity. it is a love deeper than a love for oneself. it can be the very height of love even. this man may be insane BUT its not a necessary conclusion to make. he may be motivated by profound and selfless love. and that love may change how people think about this issue deeply on many levels. it has changed the way I think about it deeply. it HAS done some good already contrary to those that pretend NO good could come from it.

i also think in this profoundly selfish culture schooled neither in theology nor philosophy very few people even have the capacity to recognize or respond to selfless love. they know nothing of it in the first place in order to spot it even. they cannot even conceive of a human being who might do such a thing from SANITY.


I have also argued that many people wont think about what he did deeply ONLY because they disagree with his understanding of the situation but that would/should have no bearing on what HIS understanding and motivations are.

Well logic is the basis for philosophy so let’s go ahead and stop pretending that you’re schooled in that.

I didn’t move the goal post at all. I don’t need to. My original post is correct and you’ve not once actually even addressed it. Ironic once again as you now try to move this conversation from what it was to now being about me misunderstanding your poorly constructed sentence. But thank you for correcting me. I didn’t need to include the “well thought out part” because he did not provide any reason for us to rethink it period.

You swung at me and whiffed. What you need to do is admit you fell for and propagated a logical fallacy in this thread.

The rest of the post is you projecting some personal belief of yours on to this guy, all the while surmising that most of the people who don’t respond like you think they should are uneducated and amoral. You don’t think that sounds haughty?

 

[KOByFootStomp]

I'm surprised lefties are supporting and defending this guy, just imagine how bad that fire was for the environment. I'm pretty sure he global warmed the whole earth and California will be under water in a week. I'm going to see if Greta made an X about this because I'm starting to get worried.

 

[terrapin]

Well logic is the basis for philosophy so let’s go ahead and stop pretending that you’re schooled in that.

I didn’t move the goal post at all. I don’t need to. My original post is correct and you’ve not once actually even addressed it. Ironic once again as you now try to move this conversation from what it was to now being about me misunderstanding your poorly constructed sentence.

You swung at me and whiffed. What you need to do is admit you fell for and propagated a logical fallacy in this thread.

The rest of the post is you projecting some personal belief of yours on to this guy, all the while surmising that most of the people who don’t respond like you think they should are uneducated and amoral. You don’t think that sounds haughty?

this literally addressing NOTHING in my post or in my positions and misstates them.

you are a bad faith poster.

 

[Blayt7hh]

this literally addressing NOTHING in my post or in my positions.

you are a bad faith poster.

Bullshit. I addressed your post. I was polite in my first two posts to you. I was also correct and as I stated several times you never addressed the fallacy issue. And by addressed I mean admitted you were wrong because we both know that that’s the long and the short of it, isn’t it?

Why do you think I’m obligated to address your position on self sacrificing love and the rest of that? I never said he was crazy. You also have absolutely no reason to think that’s why he did it so honestly don’t know why you wrote that whole narrative out.

He could be some self sacrificing saint. He could be crazy. Either way I don’t give a shit because changing my opinion on the actual topic based on his action is a LOGICAL FALLCY.

Don’t talk about bad faith posting. You’ve moved this from way beyond what it was and claiming I didn’t address your post is a flat out lie. I don’t know what your motivation is at this point other than to try and salvage some of your ego after you came in here, started a fight and then flubbed it.

 

[nostradumbass]

Probably not the cause he intended, but it might raise awareness for mental illness.

 

[terrapin]

Bullshit. I addressed your post. I was polite in my first two posts to you. I was also correct and as I stated several times you never addressed the fallacy issue. And by addressed I mean admitted you were wrong because we both know that that’s the long and the short of it, isn’t it?

Why do you think I’m obligated to address your position on self sacrificing love and the rest of that? I never said he was crazy. You also have absolutely no reason to think that’s why he did it so honestly don’t know why you wrote that whole narrative out.

He could be some self sacrificing saint. He could be crazy. Either way I don’t give a shit because changing my opinion on the actual topic based on his action is a LOGICAL FALLCY.

Don’t talk about bad faith posting. You’ve moved this from way beyond what it was and claiming I didn’t address your post is a flat out lie. I don’t know what your motivation is at this point other than to try and salvage some of your ego after you came in here, started a fight and then flubbed it.

this is you stating MY position. why pretend I'm convinced otherwise? it makes no sense to me at all. I've even restarted my position recently. why have you not absorbed it? here is you restating my position.

He could be some self sacrificing saint. He could be crazy.

posting the definition of a logical fallacy is NOT a point. first you have to demonstrate why ALL of the people who do rethink their position based on what he did would all be wrong. as far as I can tell you have not even made the beginnings of an argument on this front. what is there to address then?

YOU have to give arguments for ALL of the scenarios you can think of that make you certain ONLY logical fallacy is involved. I don't think you have thought past your own position frankly.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Bullshit. I addressed your post. I was polite in my first two posts to you. I was also correct and as I stated several times you never addressed the fallacy issue. And by addressed I mean admitted you were wrong because we both know that that’s the long and the short of it, isn’t it?

Why do you think I’m obligated to address your position on self sacrificing love and the rest of that? I never said he was crazy. You also have absolutely no reason to think that’s why he did it so honestly don’t know why you wrote that whole narrative out.

He could be some self sacrificing saint. He could be crazy. Either way I don’t give a shit because changing my opinion on the actual topic based on his action is a LOGICAL FALLCY.

Don’t talk about bad faith posting. You’ve moved this from way beyond what it was and claiming I didn’t address your post is a flat out lie. I don’t know what your motivation is at this point other than to try and salvage some of your ego after you came in here, started a fight and then flubbed it.

I think he's still butthurt over the fact that he couldn't convince you that the Earth is flat.

 

[terrapin]

I think he's still butthurt over the fact that he couldn't convince you that the Earth is flat.

wtf are you talking about? why are all of you guys such prolific liars like this? I don't know how you can live with yourself honestly.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Dingus, this is my first post

It might draw attention to the issue but why should anyone change their opinion because of what he did?

this is you stating MY position. why pretend I'm convinced otherwise? it makes no sense to me at all. I've even restarted my position recently. why have you not absorbed it? here is you restating my position.



posting the definition of a logical fallacy is NOT a point. first you have to demonstrate why ALL of the people who do rethink their position based on what he did would all be wrong. as far as I can tell you have not even made the beginnings of an argument on this front. what is there to address then?

YOU have to give arguments for ALL of the scenarios you can think of that make you certain ONLY logical fallacy is involved. I don't think you have thought past your own position frankly.

At no point was I ever arguing with you about if he was crazy or not.

You still have yet to address why anyone should rethink their position, other than in ways that are a logical fallacy. And now you are asking me to prove a negative. I don’t have to prove a negative. If you think changing your mind on Israel/Palestine based on him lighting himself on fire is logical, then YOU have to provide that proof.

I didn’t post the definition as a point. It was a point I made that you clearly did not grasp so I posted it for your edification. You asked why 7 billion people shouldn’t change their mind, and I answered. Because it’s a logical fallacy. You posted that “logic has abandoned parts of the country” or something to that effect. If you know what logic is, how can you sit there and write like it’s not a valid point?

You keep saying I haven’t thought past my position, but you don’t even know what my position is. My position and your position was never a point of any of my posts. BTW that position would be in the conflict and not your personal ideals on self sacrificing love.

 

[KnightTemplar]

All the people clawing at the "does such and such power structure give a fuck," to belittle him. To me, it just sounds like you're wrestling with the emotions his act was meant to give you. Shame. And you're coping. That's fine, but it is what it is. He knew that what we were doing was too evil to live with, and he wanted to make sure you felt your shame. And now you do. So, he was successful in as much as possible.

I have done plenty of things to be ashamed of. Laughing at some retard who kills himself for no good reason doesn't even crack the top 100.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I think he's still butthurt over the fact that he couldn't convince you that the Earth is flat.

Nah that was him trying to convince me I shouldn’t be closed minded about Bigfoot

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Nah that was him trying to convince me I shouldn’t be closed minded about Bigfoot

Ah, I see. It's still as equally stupid as believing that the Earth is flat.

 

[terrapin]

Dingus, this is my first post




At no point was I ever arguing with you about if he was crazy or not.

You still have yet to address why anyone should rethink their position, other than in ways that are a logical fallacy. And now you are asking me to prove a negative. I don’t have to prove a negative. If you think changing your mind on Israel/Palestine based on him lighting himself on fire is logical, then YOU have to provide that proof.

I didn’t post the definition as a point. It was a point I made that you clearly did not grasp so I posted it for your edification. You asked why 7 billion people shouldn’t change their mind, and I answered. Because it’s a logical fallacy. You posted that “logic has abandoned parts of the country” or something to that effect. If you know what logic is, how can you sit there and write like it’s not a valid point?

You keep saying I haven’t thought past my position, but you don’t even know what my position is. My position and your position was never a point of any of my posts. BTW that position would be in the conflict and not your pers

you simply don't have a position. I think you had to look up what logical fallacy is and just puked it out. as far as I can tell you don't even know what it means past the definition. you made the claim that if ANYONE changes their position on this topic due to this man immolating himself its a logical fallacy.

there is NO position here other than a stupid claim. make the case or else concede the loss man.

can you REALLY think of NO possibilities here contrary to your position?

lol.

 

[Blayt7hh]

you simply don't have a position. I think you had to look up what logical fallacy is and just puked it out. as far as I can tell you don't even know what it means past the definition. you made the claim that if ANYONE changes their position on this topic due to this man immolating himself its a logical fallacy.

there is NO position here other than a stupid claim. make the case or else concede the loss man.

can you REALLY think of NO possibilities here contrary to your position?

lol.

Well apparently you can so let’s hear it, Mr logic with two logical fails itt now.

 

[terrapin]

Well apparently you can so let’s hear it, Mr logic with two logical fails itt now.

you have not made a point to reply to man. you dont even know what it means past the definition.... you don't even have a point. if you had one you would make it.

 

[Blayt7hh]

you have not made a point to reply to man. you dont even know what it means past the definition.... you don't even have a point. if you had one you would make it.

I brought it up right off the bat so you can cut this punk ass move of pretending I just learned about it.

Now STFU and prove me wrong. What reason is there to change their mind on the Palestine conflict, based on seeing this guy light himself on fire isn’t going to fall in that logical fallacy.


Money where your mouth is, prick.

 

[terrapin]

I brought it up right off the bat so you can cut this punk ass move of pretending I just learned about it.

Now STFU and prove me wrong. What reason is there to change their mind on the Palestine conflict, based on seeing this guy light himself on fire isn’t going to fall in that logical fallacy.


Money where your mouth is, prick.

prove what wrong? be specific. start by giving a few examples that you think are exhaustive of 7 billion people lol.

your argument is a joke and you never thought about it past it coming out of you mouth and that's why you are afraid to make it now.

come one man... make your best case exhaustive of EVERYONE on the planet lol!!

 

[Blayt7hh]

prove what wrong? be specific. start by giving a few examples that you think are exhaustive of 7 billion people lol.

your argument is a joke and you never thought about it past is coming out of you mouth and that's why you are afraid to make it now.

come one man... make your best case exhaustive of EVERYONE on the planet lol!!

I was specific. You can’t think of a reason.

Now you’re asking me to prove a negative again.

You are not a person that understands the basics of logic. You’ve demonstrated that clearly. Do not pretend that that drives your reasoning anymore.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Ah, I see. It's still as equally stupid as believing that the Earth is flat.

Well, I wouldn’t say equally. Pretty stupid, yes. Not as titanically stupid as flat earthers though.

I actually did start out being polite. But he’s a self righteous dbag. I guess I gave him too much credit because I like sea turtles