International Active US Air Force member self-immolates outside Israel Embassy in Washington

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MTT said:
The answer is both. Many cops struggle to understand basic concepts such as "the public has the right to film in public areas". I don't think we need cops entertaining the idea of mercy killings on critically injured civilians. In the video, one of the officers says "I need fire extinguishers not guns" and this SS/capital police (?) officer remains a deer in headlights. This is a good teaching moment. We extinguish burning people, we do not shoot them. This is so bizarre I can buy into the idea he thought the guy could have a bomb or be an imminent threat in some way. It's a retarded thought but I can accept it as plausible.
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In all fairness though, when someone is still standing while burning, you have to be prepared for the possibility of him panicking and moving towards another person, at which point there is a very good reason to make sure he goes down before he makes contact.
 
Patrick Jane said:
In all fairness though, when someone is still standing while burning, you have to be prepared for the possibility of him panicking and moving towards another person, at which point there is a very good reason to make sure he goes down before he makes contact.
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I can understand because the situation is outrageous. The gentleman falls to the ground after cooking to well-done and this cop doesn't adjust. I think he was stun-locked and unable to think rationally. In an alternate one-in-a-billion universe, the self-immolator charges someone or attempts to detonate a vest and this cop saves the day. I don't think he should be reprimanded but he deserves to get shit from his peers.
 
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Volador said:
Mentally ill college student turns himself a martyr over terrorists who don't give half a shit about him, suddenly becomes obsessed with a cause he doesn't understand and never gave a fuck about, in order to show moral superiority.... shocking and never seen before, lol.
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He was military 😆
 
Patrick Jane said:
In all fairness though, when someone is still standing while burning, you have to be prepared for the possibility of him panicking and moving towards another person, at which point there is a very good reason to make sure he goes down before he makes contact.
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Yeah and there was no way he could've carved out a stick and roasted a proper Marshmellow...That would've been my go to.
 
TheMaster said:
You don't know what the larger repercussions might be. It might have a wider impact. And you also can't judge, as an outsider the effect on him personally as a military personnel and being made to feel complicit in these horrors inflicted on civilians, including small children. It no doubt weighed heavy on him while having a felt sense of responsibility even just by association and that influenced his decision to do this.


You get it. Few here seem to.
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It will be forgotten by the end of the week. Before that if Trump or Biden do/say something remarkably stupid even by their standards.
 
TheMaster said:
You don't know what the larger repercussions might be. It might have a wider impact. And you also can't judge, as an outsider the effect on him personally as a military personnel and being made to feel complicit in these horrors inflicted on civilians, including small children. It no doubt weighed heavy on him while having a felt sense of responsibility even just by association and that influenced his decision to do this.
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Wishful thinking at its hardest.

America's military industrial complex and congress already have a strong stance on their support for Israel over Gaza, be it for better or worse.

Doesn't matter if he committed suicide over Gaza, or Ukraine, or another dozen soldiers do the same.

And wasn't he like 19? Guaranteed he's still a PFC or Specialist at the highest, which means he's cannon fodder. And since he was a suicide the military won't even pay for his funeral or pay his family the life insurance.

He'll be forgotten within a week, maximum.
 
MTT said:
Yes, sure. I can understand because the situation is outrageous. The gentleman falls to the ground after cooking to well-done and this cop doesn't adjust. I think he was stun-locked and unable to think rationally. In an alternate one-in-a-billion universe, the self-immolator charges someone or attempts to detonate a vest and this cop saves the day. I don't think he should be reprimanded but he deserves to get shit from his peers.
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Yeah, i agree that once the guy goes down, pointing a weapon at him becomes stupid and unproductive. Just saying that someone disturbed who burns himself might (even without bad intention) panic and freak out because he obviously can't get used to the feeling beforehand. People starting to run around while burning happens a lot with accidental ignitions and usually you're supposed to tackle them at that point, which you cannot do if he is drenched in flammable liquid.
 
terrapin said:
This is the kind of arrogance in one's positions that I simply cannot comprehend... Genuinely man, how arrogant are you if you think that 7 billion people on the planet should not rethink their position at all because of what this guy did?

I don't think you realize how profoundly arrogant and self-centered a position like that is. And I am granting you here that you personally shouldn't change your position on anything because of it.... But to assume that nobody should be moved by what this man did and reconsider their positions and see things differently isn't defensible.

It's actually even hard for me to understand how you thought this post out frankly... Yes, someone could be moved deeply by what he did as I have been... a gravity and a seriousness that might have been lacking can set in as it has for me. That could cause millions of people to look more deeply into the situation when they hadn't before or weigh certain facts differently than they did before. And I think it's laughable that you expect one man to hold every bit of value on this topic rather than just contributing his piece to the greater whole

I think you are arguing against reality here in favor of just your own narrow perspective and that's granting you that you can keep your perspective!

I'm shocked how many people can't think beyond their own positions about things and it seems like a real loss of logic and reason has set over our whole country even. I don't think it's a measure of intelligence, but I think being able to think thoroughly through and see the value in positions that are not your own is a mark of the sincere use of intelligence.
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I'm shocked you're giving this guy way more credit than he deserves.
 
terrapin said:
Only because they don't want to because they don't want to give any power or good to someone or something that disagrees with their positions...

This is why I don't value intelligence nearly as highly as the world seems to because it's the sincere use of intelligence that counts for a lot more than just IQ.
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Wait. You see this act as some presentation of martyrdom AND are chastising those who don't see it that way as not being as smart as you?
 
terrapin said:
Yes I read what you said and that's all a possibility for sure man.... now do the rest of the 7 billion people on the planet though....
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What percentage of that 7 billion do you honestly think would go to the extreme of burning themselves alive to prove a point or bring attention to some issue?
 
spamking said:
What percentage of that 7 billion do you honestly think would go to the extreme of burning themselves alive to prove a point or bring attention to some issue?
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This has almost nothing to do with the point I made....
 
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