About the Velasquez vs Lesnar title fight.

[sonhow]

So you are saying do you get tired more easily if you dont have cardio?

......... yeees?

 

[suffersystem]

I’d take prime Cain against anyone in mma history and I truly mean that

When was his prime though, because he lost to JDS, then beat Bigfoot and JDS, then lost to Werdum.....

 

[RockyLockridge]

When was his prime though, because he lost to JDS, then beat Bigfoot and JDS, then lost to Werdum.....

he lost to JDS in his prime which is okay, but he's clearly the better fighter between 2008-2012

 

[suffersystem]

he lost to JDS in his prime which is okay, but he's clearly the better fighter between 2008-2012

The better fighter between them yes, I just don't think he showed enough to beat anybody of any era at any time IMHO. Great fighter just didn't show enough in his career I think

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Prime Cain is a god awful match up for Brock.

Cardio for days.

Beastly wrestler.

Far more advanced striking arsenal.

That said, Lesnar is probably the most physically gifted HW I’ve seen, and exceeded initial predictions in his MMA career.

To be fair, Brock is one of the most physically gifted people on planet earth at his size in his prime.

Dude went from never playing football at a high level before, to almost making the Vikings as a DLineman before he went to the UFC.

Brock's athletic ability is off the charts.

 

[jeff7b9]

Getting punuched in the head and body takes a lot out of you.

 

[RockyLockridge]

The better fighter between them yes, I just don't think he showed enough to beat anybody of any era at any time IMHO. Great fighter just didn't show enough in his career I think

Disagree

 

[Prex32]

sticking on someone like glue isnt exactly great cardio
its just rogan is hyping stuff up

 

[VinceArch]

JDS blasted prime Cain straight into Bolivia and made him tap to strikes

And a prime, heavy favorite JDS struggled to beat a green underdog Stipe via controversial decision in a grueling contest, with Stipe potentially winning every round, and a lot of medias scoring the fight for the underdog Miocic

Even 1 out of 3 honorable Sherdog judges scored the first fight for Stipe, and the 2 who scored it for JDS overall, both gave some rounds to the Croatian Sensation 3.0 ​

R1:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R2:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R3:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R4:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-10
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R5:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (49-47 dos Santos)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic (48-47 Miocic)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (48-47 dos Santos)


And of course in the rematch, when Miocic was finally in his prime, he easily dispatched Junior and finished him in the very first round


No idea what that has to do with Cain vs Lesnar, but it's just nuts how people nowadays just assume that JDS had an easy time in the first Miocic fight, when back then it was 50/50 in the live thread

He only easily finished JDS because JDS was already over the hill at that point.

 

[Richard Fannin]

He only easily finished JDS because JDS was already over the hill at that point.

Well, it's easy to say now, but back then JDS was coming off a win over Big Ben Rothwell,

to bounce back from his upset loss to Overeem (which was quite the upset, since for years Sherdoggers have been repeating that JDS is a nightmare match-up for Reem, and that he would KO him easily)...

And after getting finish by Stipe in the first round, JDS scored 3 big wins in a row against top HWs
Blagoy Ivanov,
Tai Tuivasa,
and Derrick "Black Beast" Lewis



After that, he lost to N'Gannou and got into his losing streak, that he finally broke earlier this month by winning the rematch vs Fabricio Werdum at Gamebred's bare knuckle MMA

 

[VinceArch]

Well, it's easy to say now, but back then JDS was coming off a win over Big Ben Rothwell,

to bounce back from his upset loss to Overeem (which was quite the upset, since for years Sherdoggers have been repeating that JDS is a nightmare match-up for Reem, and that he would KO him easily)...

And after getting finish by Stipe in the first round, JDS scored 3 big wins in a row against top HWs
Blagoy Ivanov,
Tai Tuivasa,
and Derrick "Black Beast" Lewis



After that, he lost to N'Gannou and got into his losing streak, that he finally broke earlier this month by winning the rematch vs Fabricio Werdum at Gamebred's bare knuckle MMA

Yeah, a lot of those were wars though, he would've beaten them all easily pre Cain. After those two brutal beatdowns and the Mark Hunt war he was done and it only got worse from there.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Brock was a NCAA champ, almost made an NFL team ten years out of college and only having played high school football, and as a beginner fought some of the biggest names at HW with success.

He didn't avoid cardio, and honestly prob had better than average cardio for a HW with that much muscle (muscle mass takes a ton of oxygen)...

I'm going out on a limb here not to troll or bully, but only to say you're comparing yourself to world class athletes in multiple disciplines (and a world class rasslin performer)... it's prob not the best apples to apples comparison.

 

[Psychojoe86]

Lesnar tried to overpower Velazquez, but up against a very talented and strong wrestler as well, it wasn’t effective. When Cain attacked Brock, Brock got stressed out and then he began to panic, because he genuinely had no idea what to do, hence the embarrassing display that followed.

gassing happens sometimes, but lesnar went down to something more significantly worse than gassing

 

[NovaJon93]

Cardio might’ve been somewhat of a factor but I recall him never properly recovering from getting hurt and Cain proceeded to relentlessly beat him until the stoppage.

 

[SouthVanMMA]

Imagine Cain with a gun

 

[leatherneck]

I don't get TS. Is he comparing himself to Brock?

TS IS Brock.

 

[SenorGuillen]

Prime Cain would’ve finished Fedor within the first round.

 

[StonedLemur]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

You should work your cardio....rest for 10 minutes and work it again ...every day.

 

[abject]

Did he gas on the way to the Octagon? Werdum was blasting him in the face in round one.

Cain couldn't (or rather didn't want to) use his wrestling in that fight which exposed his poor defense. We had seen him vulnerable in other fights when he wasn't shooting (JDS first fight and Kongo was causing him massive problems when they were standing).

Blasting him in the face in round one. Lol. You're new to mma i think

 

[abject]

Cain wasn't dominating the fight before he gassed. Werdum is absolutely a bad match up for Cain. He's a better striker, he's longer, and he has the submission skills to prevent Cain from just taking him down.

wrong on all counts. werdum is a bjj guy look it up. Are you new to mma.