About the Velasquez vs Lesnar title fight.

[GearSolidMetal]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

I basically have every aspect of that fight memorized from the dozens of times I've rewatched it. I even have it saved on my phone.

*Yes, they only fought once.
*Rogan & Goldberg both mentioned Brock was exhausted, but it was mostly because of he was getting destroyed, damage is the #1 factor in fighters gassing out. The diverculitis played a role, as well as the huge musclemass requires pacing throughout the fight and Cain wasn't giving him the chance to breathe.
*Cain also was taken down twice and bounced up like a basketball, which had to be extremely discouraging to Lesnar because his game is to takedown his opponent & GnP them to exhaustion & submission. The moment Lesnar practically gave up was when Cain sliced his cheek wide open.

As for your comparison of yourself as a Judo-guy, its probably best to not. MMA endurance is completely different than running on a treadmill, its far closer to wrestling matches or boxing rounds, and if you have no experience in them you'd probably get exhausted much quicker than you expect in an MMA fight.

Edit - Would like to add that 'Prime Cain' meaning Cain Velasquez in his prime & uninjured, is considered my many on this board to be the most destructive Heavyweight in the history of the UFC. He's the blueprint that young heavyweights should aspire to be if they want the belt.

 

[checktheknuckles]

That said, Lesnar is probably the most physically gifted HW I’ve seen, and exceeded initial predictions in his MMA career.

Yeah he was gifted alright. With a superb trigger thumb.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

JDS would also be a bad matchup.

Great cardio (was able to almost match Velasquez), great anti wrestling, explosive power backed by elite striking.

I feel like JDS - Brock would have looked a lot like Carwin - Brock. But JDS would have finished Brock in the first.

 

[Royce's Gi]

Yes and No

 

[arcadeperfect]

wrong on all counts. werdum is a bjj guy look it up. Are you new to mma.

Yeah hence his submission skills. The fuck are you on about? He's also a competent striker that can match Cain on the feet. This is a matchup where Cain can't just use his wrestling as easily as he did against JDS. He actually has to strike with Werdum, and considering he's not a better striker it makes it a tough match up.

 

[MartinGibson86]

No knwledgable fan considered it an upset.

I did think Bork would brat Reem though

 

[abject]

Yeah hence his submission skills. The fuck are you on about? He's also a competent striker that can match Cain on the feet. This is a matchup where Cain can't just use his wrestling as easily as he did against JDS. He actually has to strike with Werdum, and considering he's not a better striker it makes it a tough match up.

Jesus son. Big nog fought and beat werdum on their feet. Quite handily. A few years later Big nog faced cain and got ktfo standing in spectacular fashion. Watch the fight. Like i said you're clearly new to mma.

 

[mkt]

Prime Cain is a god awful match up for Brock.

Cardio for days.

Beastly wrestler.

Far more advanced striking arsenal.

That said, Lesnar is probably the most physically gifted HW I’ve seen, and exceeded initial predictions in his MMA career.

All good points. In hypothetical prime vs. prime fights, people overlook Cain's cardio. He fought more like an active MW or WW....for 5 rounds if necessary.

 

[mkt]

Cain't performance was amazing but Brock was suffering from divurticulitis at the time....I believe he had a near-death experience with it just before or after this fight. The Mir rematch was peak Brock.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Brock mentally broke and quit, it's what made him gass so quickly

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

JDS blasted prime Cain straight into Bolivia and made him tap to strikes

And a prime, heavy favorite JDS struggled to beat a green underdog Stipe via controversial decision in a grueling contest, with Stipe potentially winning every round, and a lot of medias scoring the fight for the underdog Miocic

Even 1 out of 3 honorable Sherdog judges scored the first fight for Stipe, and the 2 who scored it for JDS overall, both gave some rounds to the Croatian Sensation 3.0 ​

R1:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R2:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R3:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R4:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-10
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R5:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (49-47 dos Santos)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic (48-47 Miocic)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (48-47 dos Santos)


And of course in the rematch, when Miocic was finally in his prime, he easily dispatched Junior and finished him in the very first round


No idea what that has to do with Cain vs Lesnar, but it's just nuts how people nowadays just assume that JDS had an easy time in the first Miocic fight, when back then it was 50/50 in the live thread

A prime Jnr is a stretch. He was coming off the back of 2 career changing beatings ( 2 of the worse in HW history) and being KOd by Overreem. Jnr was on the slide and halted a surging Stipe.

Great fight by the way

 

[Chillez]

Brock was never the same athlete after diverculitis he just wasn't. Regardless prime Cain is matchup nightmare for anyone cardio machine, great wrestling, good striking to mix up his takedowns.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

This is why white belts should not beable to make threads.
There was no special technique. Brock doesn't like to be punched. Cain Punched him, rocked him, and Brock Turtled up and that was the end of that fight.

 

[TheTickG]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

One training tip, don't nearly die of a stomach disease that messes up your life for years. From 2009 or maybe even earlier:
https://www.mensjournal.com/enterta...ticulitis-and-rebooted-his-ufc-career-w209174

 

[CatchThisFade]

Velasquez is the reason Jon never moved up.

 

[Marko Polo]

Cain is arguably the best heavyweight of all time for me. Fedor did it for longer, much longer, but Cain’s level of performance when he did fight is higher than I think we’ve seen. He was a true freak of nature athlete who struggled to get fights because of his reputation

 

[Sincere Guy]

JDS blasted prime Cain straight into Bolivia and made him tap to strikes

And a prime, heavy favorite JDS struggled to beat a green underdog Stipe via controversial decision in a grueling contest, with Stipe potentially winning every round, and a lot of medias scoring the fight for the underdog Miocic

Even 1 out of 3 honorable Sherdog judges scored the first fight for Stipe, and the 2 who scored it for JDS overall, both gave some rounds to the Croatian Sensation 3.0 ​

R1:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R2:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R3:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R4:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-10
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R5:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (49-47 dos Santos)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic (48-47 Miocic)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (48-47 dos Santos)


And of course in the rematch, when Miocic was finally in his prime, he easily dispatched Junior and finished him in the very first round


No idea what that has to do with Cain vs Lesnar, but it's just nuts how people nowadays just assume that JDS had an easy time in the first Miocic fight, when back then it was 50/50 in the live thread

Nothing close to controversial, Dos Santos beat Stipe fair and square and the judges were right, as MMADecisions always reminds us.
Junior dos Santos def. Stipe Miocic :: UFC on Fox 13 :: MMA Decisions
JDS losing that fight was like impossible, would be a robbery.

 

[Baby Hanma]

This is why white belts should not beable to make threads.
There was no special technique. Brock doesn't like to be punched. Cain Punched him, rocked him, and Brock Turtled up and that was the end of that fight.

Jerk. I prefer to use harsher words, but I’ll just call you a jerk. This is why I hesitated for years to join this forum. It’s because of jerks like you.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Prime Cain is a god awful match up for Brock.

Cardio for days.

Beastly wrestler.

Far more advanced striking arsenal.

That said, Lesnar is probably the most physically gifted HW I’ve seen, and exceeded initial predictions in his MMA career.

I think anyone that said he would be UFC HW Champion would have been laughed out of the forum the first time he fought Frank or Herring.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I think actually Brock's best chance of beating prime Cain would be striking, the latter's defence was I think pretty questionable and Brock if not really a comfortable striker did show he had some power so landing a bit straight on Cain as he rushed forward is pretty his best chance.