About the Velasquez vs Lesnar title fight.

[goOb]

In shape Baby Hanma takes UFC Gold in my opinion… that being said TS, I think when Brock failed to takedown Cain, he adrenaline dumped. Then Cain exposed the fact that Brock Lesnar didn’t like to get hit in the face. In the end Cain was just better everywhere.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Yes.

 

[bongwater]

We saw what happened to cain vs a healthy lesnar in the rematch!

 

[Sad Dad]

theres no way any sane sherdogger here would bet their money on werdum
if there was a rematch people would always favor cain
9 out of 10 times cain beats him
thats just my opinion

I don't know man, that's not a great opinion. Good long jab, tight MT, wrestling threat completely neutralized. It's dead even at best.

 

[dittohead84]

Brock had some balls on him that's for sure. That guy never sparred properly and he tried to swang and bang with the head down and even did a jumping knee which wasn't far away from Cain's face. He was so raw

 

[Black0ut]

Remember that Brock tried to take Cain down (twice I think?) and Cain popped up immediately, he probably did lose a little gas doing that.

wasn’t till after the failed TD(s) and catching some fists that he started Super Disco Breakin’ all over the place.

 

[wwkirk]

Remember that Brock tried to take Cain down (twice I think?) and Cain popped up immediately, he probably did lose a little gas doing that.

wasn’t till after the failed TD(s) and catching some fists that he started Super Disco Breakin’ all over the place.

I was so shocked by that fight. Beforehand I had marveled at how huge Brock was; I was sure he could rag doll Cain.

 

[CleverNameEh]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

1) That is their one and only fight

2) That was Mike Goldberg, you uncultured swine

3)No, he wasn't exhausted, per se, but he seemed to have a huge adrenaline dump after aggressively going for the TD, only for Cain to relatively easily get back up before he could reset and get his wind, which looks almost identical to being exhausted, as it's a temporary state of exhaustion in a way.

4)Yes, Cain's speed and power seemed to surprise Brock, and when Cain started teeing off while Brock was unable to do anything about it, he panicked and got murked.

5) Yes, with no cardio, everyone will make you their bitch, even little guys at the gym. Especially little guys, in fact. Do some cardio you lazy pansy, nobody likes it, but you can't play fortnite and eat cake all day. If you have joint problems, get a Y membership and start swimming laps. Best cardio ever if you actually make yourself swim for 20 min straight. If it's hard to do the normal crawl, alternate down and back crawl, then.down and back breast stroke/frog, then down and back back stroke, etc. Do that for 15 min straight omce or twice a week. Then after a couple workouts do 20 min. Then 30. Then start doing thirty 3 times week. Then 4.

All of a sudden, you have cardio.

6) You're welcome.

 

[Richard Fannin]

prime hungry stipe having a hard time beating jds ,stipe arguably the HW GOAT
prime cain at his best ate jds and beat him, jds was the elite of the elite

JDS blasted prime Cain straight into Bolivia and made him tap to strikes

And a prime, heavy favorite JDS struggled to beat a green underdog Stipe via controversial decision in a grueling contest, with Stipe potentially winning every round, and a lot of medias scoring the fight for the underdog Miocic

Even 1 out of 3 honorable Sherdog judges scored the first fight for Stipe, and the 2 who scored it for JDS overall, both gave some rounds to the Croatian Sensation 3.0 ​

R1:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R2:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R3:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R4:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-10
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R5:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (49-47 dos Santos)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic (48-47 Miocic)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (48-47 dos Santos)


And of course in the rematch, when Miocic was finally in his prime, he easily dispatched Junior and finished him in the very first round


No idea what that has to do with Cain vs Lesnar, but it's just nuts how people nowadays just assume that JDS had an easy time in the first Miocic fight, when back then it was 50/50 in the live thread

 

[Deleted member 504083]

And a prime, heavy favorite JDS struggled to beat a green underdog Stipe

A "prime" JDS after Cain took years off his life after two of the most brutal beatings ever? A "green" Stipe who was 32 years old, 10 years of MMA training, with 14 MMA fights under his belt?



And don't pretend their 2nd fight actually meant something. It's not exactly Tito vs Liddell 3, but c'mon now.

 

[Ibm]

Werdum was cains worse matchup.

 

[Rationality]

Werdum beats Cain even at sea level. He was underrated. If he hadn't gotten so excited fighting in Brazil and run headlong into a Stipe punch he might've had a good run with the belt.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

"Brock is EXHAUSTED, Joe!"

 

[RockyLockridge]

Prime Cain is an awful matchup for everyone

I’d take prime Cain against anyone in mma history and I truly mean that

 

[Lax617]

It's been a while since I watched that fight, but I don't recall Brock being gassed. I thought he didn't handle getting punched in the face well at all (not good trait in fighting). Prime Cain is trouble for any heavyweight though, including Fedor. Brock did pretty good considering his lack of experience and the list of killers he fought overall, but I think saying Brock gassed is taking away from Cain's performance that night.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

Brock was favourite because he had that explosive strong man aura, like he could basically plant anyone on the mat because he was just so strong and fast and that was all that mattered.

But it was a fictional narrative.

Takedowns aren't based on strength, they're based on technique too. Stronger fighters routinely fail to secure takedowns on beanpoles, for example. Stronger, heavier fighters would also routinely fail if the weight classes weren't so stringent.

Cain was a better fighter than Brock. Better everywhere, including wrestling.

 

[orca]

JDS blasted prime Cain straight into Bolivia and made him tap to strikes

And a prime, heavy favorite JDS struggled to beat a green underdog Stipe via controversial decision in a grueling contest, with Stipe potentially winning every round, and a lot of medias scoring the fight for the underdog Miocic

Even 1 out of 3 honorable Sherdog judges scored the first fight for Stipe, and the 2 who scored it for JDS overall, both gave some rounds to the Croatian Sensation 3.0 ​

R1:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R2:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Miocic

R3:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R4:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-10
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos

R5:TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (49-47 dos Santos)
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Miocic (48-47 Miocic)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 dos Santos (48-47 dos Santos)


And of course in the rematch, when Miocic was finally in his prime, he easily dispatched Junior and finished him in the very first round


No idea what that has to do with Cain vs Lesnar, but it's just nuts how people nowadays just assume that JDS had an easy time in the first Miocic fight, when back then it was 50/50 in the live thread

have u even considered that version of jds got 50 percent of his life taken by cain?
no ones even arguing that stipe is the best HW
i cant remember but the first fight with jds vs cain was when cain had a layoff
had injuries and cant train
he even had gyno in that fight because he carried like 10 - 12 lbs more weight

 

[Nathan LaMontagne]

Prime Cain was a cardio machine. You were asking in another thread about conditioning for judo. There is a dedicated grappling forum here for your judo/conditioning related questions. While explosiveness is important in judo, the capacity to do it multiple times in a match is paramount. You don't want to get shido due to inactivity because you're tired.

Completely agreed. You nailed it.

A HUGE aspect to Judo cardio specifically, is going from standing to ground, to standing, to ground, to standing, to ground, over and over again.

Fucking exhausting.

BJJ tournaments to me were practically relaxing in comparison

 

[BigTruck]

No sir. I'm just asking a question about Brock's performance. Also, I know a subtle bully when I see one. You're starting a chain of posts aimed at mocking me. I'm just asking a question about a fight. With that said, I'm no longer responding to you because doing so will only feed your troll-bully tendencies. Good bye.

How old are you and where are you from? Serious question.

 

[Baal]

I’d take prime Cain against anyone in mma history and I truly mean that

I'd pick prime Fedor over him

Other than that he loses to nobody