About the Velasquez vs Lesnar title fight.

[BJJ4Tone]

Far more advanced striking arsenal.

or even a striking arsenal at all. <45>

 

[Juzie]

Except werdum. Werdum was tailored to beat Cain.

Hard disagree there. Cain could have beaten him on the feet and there was no chance Werdum could have taken him down. Look what Cain did to Nog and Nog does almost everything better than Werdum. Just a bad night out for Cain when he fought Werdum.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

 

[Neck&Neck]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name,

His partner name is THE Legendary Mike GOLDBERG
Show some damn Hespect

 

[usernamee]

I was impressed Brock managed to get a TD although Cain immediately got back up and you could see in Lesnars eyes after that sequence that he knew he was fucked

 

[Baby Hanma]

I don't get TS. Is he asking if improving his cardio would make him a better fighter? The answer to that question seems obvious.

Is he comparing himself to Brock?

No sir. I'm just asking a question about Brock's performance. Also, I know a subtle bully when I see one. You're starting a chain of posts aimed at mocking me. I'm just asking a question about a fight. With that said, I'm no longer responding to you because doing so will only feed your troll-bully tendencies. Good bye.

 

[blaseblase]

The fight was at altitude where inadequate preparation destroys cardio.

That's such a false narrative lol

Werdum was the hardest matchup for him, yes, but not tailored to beat him. Prime Cain would and should always be the favorite to win that fight outside of not acclimating properly for Mexico City.

Did he gas on the way to the Octagon? Werdum was blasting him in the face in round one.

Cain couldn't (or rather didn't want to) use his wrestling in that fight which exposed his poor defense. We had seen him vulnerable in other fights when he wasn't shooting (JDS first fight and Kongo was causing him massive problems when they were standing).

 

[RiskiestCookie]

That's such a false narrative lol

Werdum was the hardest matchup for him, yes, but not tailored to beat him. Prime Cain would and should always be the favorite to win that fight outside of not acclimating properly for Mexico City.

No.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Yes.

I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio.

Can you please elaborate?

I'll elaborate for him.

Without cardio, eventually someone weaker than you is going to take you into deep waters until you drown.

But hey, work-life-balance wise, maybe it's more fun to be lazy and pretty damn good, instead of work hard to be great. Look at Kelvin Gastelum; he lives a great life, made lots of money, and still got to eat lots of burritos. But others see him as a wasted talent. All depends on the lens you're using.

 

[WolverReem]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

My opinion is heavyweight MMA is a bum division and it's best not to draw any conclusions from it or take away for your own game. Just keep training and listen to your coach

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Except werdum. Werdum was tailored to beat Cain.

yup. if you fight Cain in the clinch he becomes a lot less formidable.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

My opinion is heavyweight MMA is a bum division and it's best not to draw any conclusions from it or take away for your own game. Just keep training and listen to your coach

that's true unless you're a HW trying to get into the UFC. then you should definitely pay attention because HW has a lot of holes that are easily exploited if you have the right skill set and physical attributes to compete there.

 

[arcadeperfect]

The fight was at altitude where inadequate preparation destroys cardio.

Cain wasn't dominating the fight before he gassed. Werdum is absolutely a bad match up for Cain. He's a better striker, he's longer, and he has the submission skills to prevent Cain from just taking him down.

 

[AmericanMMA]

if TS learns the interlocking fish smash he'll be unstoppable

 

[NoSmilez]

Brock didn't really do that bad until the end. He gassed himself out trying to fight at a high pace with Cain. You can see his face turn red and lips blue.

 

[DarthChen731]

Trying to figure out why ur trolling about this rn...

 

[Deleted member 504083]

No.

Did he gas on the way to the Octagon? Werdum was blasting him in the face in round one

You bring up round 1 when Cain actually won that round. If you're not acclimated in one of the highest altitude cities in the world, then yes, you're gassed walking to the octagon and warming up in the back. The city that's almost double the altitude of Salt Lake.

An unacclimated Cain won the 1st round by landing hard sig strikes on the feet, controlling Werdum against the cage, and mixing in two takedowns. Prime Cain would've done this for 5 rounds and looked a lot better in doing so.

Cain couldn't (or rather didn't want to) use his wrestling in that fight which exposed his poor defense. We had seen him vulnerable in other fights when he wasn't shooting (Kongo was causing him massive problems when they were standing).

You're bringing up the Kongo fight, when Cain only had 5 pro fights at that point, and Kongo was an MMA vet who is an accomplished kickboxer and in Muay Thai.

I'm not saying Werdum has zero chance, he can obv submit anybody on the planet, but to say Werdum is tailored to beat Cain is just wrong. Cain would always be the favorite there, despite Werdum being his most difficult matchup.

 

[orca]

prime hungry stipe having a hard time beating jds ,stipe arguably the HW GOAT
prime cain at his best ate jds and beat him, jds was the elite of the elite
thats how good he was
he was like the more agile,faster version of khabib style pressure
with really good striking,has really good kicks too
and will suffocate his opponents
he was basically a HW upgraded version of khabib

 

[BarbellzNbacon]

Intriguing match up but definitely NOT an upset

 

[orca]

Except werdum. Werdum was tailored to beat Cain.

theres no way any sane sherdogger here would bet their money on werdum
if there was a rematch people would always favor cain
9 out of 10 times cain beats him
thats just my opinion