A possible Iran war with minimal US forces on the ground

[Hoof Hearted]

We start bombing Iran...what does Russia do as a close ally?

They will 100% be involved no doubt. I guess the question is what sort of weapons does it provide to Iran in it's defeence against the US. The war would be a clusterfuck on a scale far greater than what we've seen in Syria. And I dread to think, if the Iranian is defeated, what the inevitable vaccum would result in...like what happened in Iraq, Libya etc..).

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

For the love of god please no. Let the people over there deal with over there.

 

[Sauron]

Israel unlikely send group soldier in. But the far bigger number of Arabs, Turks and possibly Pakistan special forces and western trained mercenaries will be too much. Iran is not China or soviet union in WW2 with ability to keep pullin peoole to war to die. I think strong enough bombing campaign by US and UK will allow ground forces to take Tehran.

This is just stupid.

Iran has 80 million people and is one the most mountainous countries on earth. Tehran is in the very north of Iran and has 10 million people. Just who exactly will be criss-crossing the Zagros mountains and making their way to Tehran without getting lit-up?

Which magical group of arabs will be joining this venture: the incompetent Saudi's who can't even conquer the poorest country on earth - which literally borders their own. The sheltered Emirati's or Bahraini's?

Nobody short of the US is invading Iran, and even then that's very unlikely.

 

[Prex32]

people think a war in iran would be just local
most likely a war in iran would ignite other places too, most likely syria and iraq on a larger scale again, also probably in europe (balkans) too
the commitment would be too big for the western alliance to handle all that stuff at the same time
iraq was happening when russia was weak, now are different cards on the table

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Libtards be like "Iran is the good guy" Lol!!!! There is a little something called "intelligence" you know, reliable information? Yea, it shows Iran is a terrorist state.

I don't understand this boards dilemma with accepting the facts on this. Iran as a state, as a government is openly terrorist.

This is an extension of the centuries old Shia vs Sunni conflict and guess what? The Sunni government in Saudi Arabia has been making huge efforts to align themselves with the West by improving women's rights and cooperating on other fronts. They even get along with Israel.

Iran on the other hand want to push Israel into the and fund terrorist proxy wars against pretty much everyone. They want to rule the middle East and the middle East doesn't want that. It's simple.

There is no way you wrote that with a straight face.

 

[sub_thug]

You already look like a complete bitch since you didnt do squat against those that led you to war.

This is what not being a bitch looks like.



Yet in America neocons are back in power and a bunch of idiots are supporting them.



Again, it wasnt Iran the one bombing marketplaces and religious gatherings, those were GCC supported terrorists.

Iran certainly isnt a nice country, but neither is the rest of the lot in that god forsaken region.

We've already covered that you're a bitch because you let drug lords do whatever they want to you and your people. You literally can't say shit.

 

[sub_thug]

How many weeks exactly?

I don't know. I don't have access to those classified intelligence reports

 

[sub_thug]

The US invaded and occupied Iraq illegally - a country that borders Iran and is 1000's of miles away from the US.

The US launched stuxnex: an attack on civilian nuclear infrastructure.

...but the US...

What was illegal about it?

Prove it. Prove that this covert action was conducted by the US. I'll give you a hint: You can't.

 

[sub_thug]

Nobody is saying Iran are good guys, just that its ignorant to conclude the Iran is the reason for the unrest in the Middle East and to propose that we attack them based on that conclusion.

And the "but the US..." isn't just some weak deflection, its a valid argument when the proposition is that the US team up with other Gulf States to attack Iran with the reasoning that "Iran is responsible for the unrest in the region".

You're wrong. I've seen posters on this forum say that we should foster a friendship with Iran, trusting them to be our allies. That's a ridiculous idea.

I'm not arguing for attacking Iran. Hell, I wasn't in favor of attacking Iraq. When did I say that attacking Iran was a good idea? And Iran contributes to the unrest in the region, but no, they are not the only factor or the root cause. It's a sea of shitheads.

That's not what I am saying. People justify when Iran funnels money, weapons, and fighters to Iraq to launch an unofficial campaign against the US, saying that it is somehow reasonable when you consider what they believe to be the complete history of the US in Iran (even though tons of shit is still classified or based on speculations about what actually happened in the region). It's a modern extension of the "But the Crusades!" argument.

 

[Rod1]

We've already covered that you're a bitch because you let drug lords do whatever they want to you and your people. You literally can't say shit.

Cool, and you guys cant even deal with goat fuckers in Afghanistan after spending god knows how many trillions on it.

 

[Rod1]

I don't know. I don't have access to those classified intelligence reports

What classified intelligence report because all i read from Israeli sources (which have the best penetration in Iran) is that Iran never crossed the threshold in which it was merely "weeks" away from the bomb.

 

[sub_thug]

What classified intelligence report because all i read from Israeli sources (which have the best penetration in Iran) is that Iran never crossed the threshold in which it was merely "weeks" away from the bomb.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-two-weeks-away-from-weapons-grade-uranium/

 

[sub_thug]

Cool, and you guys cant even deal with goat fuckers in Afghanistan after spending god knows how many trillions on it.

We kicked their asses every time we got into an engagement. You can win all the battles and still not win the war. It's definitely not like they sent us home with our tail between our legs. But that doesn't fit your narrative, does it?

 

[Rod1]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-two-weeks-away-from-weapons-grade-uranium/

Read your own sources.

“But you still don’t have a nuclear weapon,” Heinonen added. Preparing the highly enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb would take another month or two, “assuming that someone has all the knowledge.” After that, assembling an actual nuclear weapon that can be delivered with a ballistic missile would take perhaps another year, he said.

 

[Rod1]

We kicked their asses every time we got into an engagement. You can win all the battles and still not win the war. It's definitely not like they sent us home with our tail between our legs. But that doesn't fit your narrative, does it?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You're wrong. I've seen posters on this forum say that we should foster a friendship with Iran, trusting them to be our allies. That's a ridiculous idea.

Not all allies are good guys either, and when you look who we’ve been allied with over the last 40 years I don’t see a reason to dismiss the idea. Iran is, in many way, a natural ally. If we hadn’t burned that bridge so many times it would be preferrabale to being allies with KSA, Pakistan, and Israel.

I'm not arguing for attacking Iran. Hell, I wasn't in favor of attacking Iraq. When did I say that attacking Iran was a good idea? And Iran contributes to the unrest in the region, but no, they are not the only factor or the root cause. It's a sea of shitheads.

Nobody said you did, but that is what the thread is about and you’ve only attacked the people who disagrees with OP.

That's not what I am saying. People justify when Iran funnels money, weapons, and fighters to Iraq to launch an unofficial campaign against the US, saying that it is somehow reasonable when you consider what they believe to be the complete history of the US in Iran (even though tons of shit is still classified or based on speculations about what actually happened in the region). It's a modern extension of the "But the Crusades!" argument.

The reason the “but the crusades ...” argument fails is because the crusades were 700 years ago. The Iran-US feud only goes back about 70 years ago and it’s largely one-sided, but not the side the US media portrays. And it’s not about justification, it’s about perspective.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Iran is most definitely a bad actor. Not even going into the regional problems that they produce for 3rd party actors, including our allies, and just keeping to things that they have done to the US, they are definitely an enemy.

They funneled weapons, technology, and fighters into Iraq. The most egregious example of this are the EFPs, an extremely deadly form of IED that killed Americans in Iraq.

They have launched cyber attacks on Saudi Aramco and the US stock market, and potentially others.

Their government continues to needle us at every turn, actively pursuing nuclear weapons.

I fail to understand how any reasonable person can think that they are "good guys." Any explanation of this position will invariably involve, "But the US!..."

Of course it leads to "But the US", the US is the one that has invaded two countries bordering Iran and yet they're ones needling us? We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan at a time that we were beating the war drum for Iran too, was perfectly in their self interest to turn the Iraqi occupation into a quagmire to dissuade the US from invading Iran. Syrians did the same thing and guess what, it worked because Americans lost their appetite for war after Iraq.

Of course their regime is shit and oppressive and does ugly stuff but so do other regimes in the region that are our allies. Its clear the distinction between Iran and our allies like Saudi Arabia and Egypt has nothing to do with human rights or support for terrorism or any of that BS, its simply that they resist our hegemony in the region while our allies facilitate it.

 

[Seaside]

You're wrong. I've seen posters on this forum say that we should foster a friendship with Iran, trusting them to be our allies. That's a ridiculous idea.

I'm not arguing for attacking Iran. Hell, I wasn't in favor of attacking Iraq. When did I say that attacking Iran was a good idea? And Iran contributes to the unrest in the region, but no, they are not the only factor or the root cause. It's a sea of shitheads.

That's not what I am saying. People justify when Iran funnels money, weapons, and fighters to Iraq to launch an unofficial campaign against the US, saying that it is somehow reasonable when you consider what they believe to be the complete history of the US in Iran (even though tons of shit is still classified or based on speculations about what actually happened in the region). It's a modern extension of the "But the Crusades!" argument.

Russians and Chinese don't think Iran is friend. I swear only idiot westerners who dislike saudi and Israel more tjmink that. Iran for them is way to hurt and 'stick' Israel and saudis.

This is just stupid.

Iran has 80 million people and is one the most mountainous countries on earth. Tehran is in the very north of Iran and has 10 million people. Just who exactly will be criss-crossing the Zagros mountains and making their way to Tehran without getting lit-up?

Which magical group of arabs will be joining this venture: the incompetent Saudi's who can't even conquer the poorest country on earth - which literally borders their own. The sheltered Emirati's or Bahraini's?

Nobody short of the US is invading Iran, and even then that's very unlikely.

What stupid is you thinking a non homogenous country bombed to stone age with destroyed bomb out military by US and UK will be able hole off thousands of Arabs and turks and mercenaries. There will be thousands of mercenaries and Arabs by that point tens more thousand than iran has.

 

[Seaside]

Not all allies are good guys either, and when you look who we’ve been allied with over the last 40 years I don’t see a reason to dismiss the idea. Iran is, in many way, a natural ally. If we hadn’t burned that bridge so many times it would be preferrabale to being allies with KSA, Pakistan, and Israel.



Nobody said you did, but that is what the thread is about and you’ve only attacked the people who disagrees with OP.

The reason the “but the crusades ...” argument fails is because the crusades were 700 years ago. The Iran-US feud only goes back about 70 years ago and it’s largely one-sided, but not the side the US media portrays. And it’s not about justification, it’s about perspective.

Agreed which make Russia hysteria funny.

But Russia is what those who have hate trump so much have to stick to. And thosee who dont stuck to iran. Many pelope need enemy to blame

 

[sub_thug]

Not all allies are good guys either, and when you look who we’ve been allied with over the last 40 years I don’t see a reason to dismiss the idea. Iran is, in many way, a natural ally. If we hadn’t burned that bridge so many times it would be preferrabale to being allies with KSA, Pakistan, and Israel.

Nobody said you did, but that is what the thread is about and you’ve only attacked the people who disagrees with OP.

The reason the “but the crusades ...” argument fails is because the crusades were 700 years ago. The Iran-US feud only goes back about 70 years ago and it’s largely one-sided, but not the side the US media portrays. And it’s not about justification, it’s about perspective.

No, not all allies are good guys. But all our allies have interests that are aligned with ours. Iranian interests are pointed in the opposite direction. I can't think of too many big issues where we would both want the same thing, so no, they aren't a natural ally.

So I am guilty via the transitive property? I can think the OP is stupid while still thinking that a war with Iran is stupid.

That's not true. We've both been at odds with one another, or are you forgetting that they took American hostages in the 70s, took American sailors hostage in 2016, aided the insurgents in Iraq, and a myriad of other things? They're definitely bad guys, and we shouldn't help them out. That doesn't mean that we should attack them either, but if something devastatingly terrible happens to Iran, we can appreciate our good fortune.