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[WaylonMercy5150]

Mental Illness Not a Factor in Most Mass Shootings (webmd.com)

THURSDAY, Feb. 25, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- Contrary to what many believe, a new study finds that mental illness isn't a factor in most mass shootings or other types of mass murder.

"The findings from this potentially definitive study suggest that emphasis on serious mental illness, such as schizophrenia or psychotic mood disorders, as a risk factor for mass shootings is given undue emphasis, leading to public fear and stigmatization," study co-leader Gary Brucato said in a Columbia University news release. He's an associate research scientist in the university's Department of Psychiatry in New York City.

Brucato and his colleagues analyzed 1,315 mass murders of all types that occurred worldwide and found that only 11% of all mass murderers (including shooters) and only 8% of mass shooters had serious mental illness.

Yeah, most right wingers just say mental illness because they dont want to talk about guns. Metal illness as it pertains to guns could actually be more restrictive than real gun control. Say you go see a DR for depression then you go on a list and for 2 years you can't buy a handgun.

 

[scorpipede]

Yeah and the bigger issue is the payoff, right? Like, you'd have a bloody mess trying to confiscate the legally owned weapons and even if you somehow accomplish it...you might not even see any sort of real reduction in gun related crime. So you've gone through all that just to see all the illegally owned weapons being used in crimes anyway.

The mental health aspect you guys are talking about is absolutely one thing that the country needs to unite on and formulate a targeted approach to make better. More funding, whatever it takes. But that's just part of it too. This country, for whatever reason (and it's likely a multitude of reasons all combined) is seeing too many citizens that don't see the lives of others as having any value. Not necessarily a nation of true sociopaths...but behavior and mindsets that trend towards it. Guns...make it easy for these sociopathic-lite (for lack of a better term) tendencies to manifest themselves. Let me give an example:

Throughout the midwest over the past few years there's been a group of kids/younger adults stealing cars. They go into neighborhoods and try anything parked outside to see if unlocked. They'll then use the garage door opener to get into the house, swipe the keys off a hanger or whatever, and take off with the car. Or sometimes people are dumb enough I guess to leave keys in the cars. Anyway, about a year and a half ago across town from where I live (suburb), they swiped a BMW from the driveway. In doing so, one dropped a phone on the lawn. So very early morning they came back for it. Well, the lady who lived there and her father in law who was visiting saw them and opened the front door and went on to the porch and started yelling at them. Didn't try to approach them or do something physical (an old man and a lady aren't gonna physically confront 3 young dudes of course). But one of the kids (they look to be pretty young on the ring doorbell images) doesnt' bat an eye to pull out his piece and fire 7 rounds at them. Thankfully, he's a piss poor shot and they scrambled back inside and nobody was hurt. But the point is that these kids saw zero value in the lives of the people who's car they'd stolen. The kids weren't in any danger themselves. The people just yelled at them (which...you steal someone's car it would be expected). But just casually attempts murder two innocent people because..."hey why not"?

It's that mindset that's rotting this country from the inside out. UNITED States? Yeah, sure. When your fellow citizen's life means absolutely nothing to you...how "united" are we gonna be?

It's a huge issue that starts with information and education. Changing the culture is not something that happens quickly. And it doesn't happen without infringing on at least some people's strongly appreciated rights.

The mental health crisis needs to be addressed no matter what it's effect on gun violence actually may be. Some seem to think it's a drop in the bucket.

 

[scorpipede]

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[mkess101]

Yeah, most right wingers just say mental illness because they dont want to talk about guns. Metal illness as it pertains to guns could actually be more restrictive than real gun control. Say you go see a DR for depression then you go on a list and for 2 years you can't buy a handgun.

See my other post. The biggest culprit is that more and more Americans place less and less value on each other's lives. Maybe that's not technically mental illness, but there's sociopathic tendencies that have become more and more prevalent.

I'm not qualified to address why this is happening. But it's happening. And things that used to end with a few punches and everyone going home now end up with shots fired. And we can say that's guns (and they are the tools used, no doubt) but it's more the fact that taking someone else's life has become more palatable now than at any time in our history maybe aside from the Wild West.

 

[Madmick]

Yeah, most right wingers just say mental illness because they dont want to talk about guns. Metal illness as it pertains to guns could actually be more restrictive than real gun control. Say you go see a DR for depression then you go on a list and for 2 years you can't buy a handgun.

Except left-wingers actually pushed this narrative, first, and still do it. What a short memory you have. What, you don't remember the pivot just a few short weeks ago when liberal onlooks on Twitter learned, to their chagrin, that the Colorado shooter wasn't a white man, but a Muslim?
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/active-shooter-at-store-in-co.4171744/page-18#post-164160650

Instantly their framing of the narrative transformed from "white men" to "mental illness".

Mass shootings is 4 or more wounded/dead excluding the shooter. Thats 3 mass shootings every 2 days.

Yes there are isolated gang related incidents but this is definitely a trend
I'm not pro-court packing but I'm hoping we can SC blue to actually do something about firearms.

Just today, in NYC a man simply bought a rifle in Ohio and carried it to subway in Time Square NYC

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...on-with-rifle-ammo-and-gas-mask-cops/3003397/

Ah, so these are "mass shootings" again.

Funny how it changes depending on what priority is driving the media's agenda at any given time.

She should have just cited her source. That is the far-leftist news magazine Mother Jones. This is as predictably unreliable as the open-source project by leftist activists that depended on Googled media reports to compile all the police shootings of citizens that predated the WaPo's more honest investigation. I remember picking through that database and immediately finding dozens of inaccuracies. This one is no different. Notice, for example, that the triple-slaying by Simon Biles brother, recently trending in the press, doesn't appear in their spreadsheet despite the fact that he killed 3 people in Cleveland in a public hotel shooting. Hhhhmmm....maybe their methodology isn't sound, yeah?

Nevertheless, this is beside the point. It's not my fault you mindlessly Googled to confirm your bias, and in doing so, cited an British journalist too facile to apply the congressional definition correctly. Spare me your drivel about criminologists (one where white men are yet against underrepresented relative to their race). Every time you guys attempt to disingenuously stoke this fear fire about white men, I'm going to take a piss on it with facts.

Indeed. However, there is a Congressional definition of "mass killing", and this has been extended by the media to "mass shootings". These are what journalistic bodies like Mother Jones track. Of course, the MSM has never been consistent, instead electing to pick and choose when they deploy the term "mass shooting" as a headline, or how they define it while citing statistics pertaining to the phrase, in order to push their liberal political agenda for any given story.

Yes, I raised the issue of that Brooklyn shooting as an example of shooting that wouldn't make the Mother Jones chart in spite of the fact it was clearly a mass shooting by any reasonable definition, but we can't be bothered with reason while we're trying to cook statistics to play Chicken Littles.

 

[Madmick]

Indeed, now media is citing the "Gun Violence Archive", rather than using the government's own definition. The GVA only defines a mass shooting as "4 people shot in a public space", not killed. The demographic statistics of the shooters change radically when you allow for this, but that isn't being discussed. In past articles, and in future articles, when discussing that becomes inconvenient, they'll revert to defining it more strictly as four people killed. Right now the focus is on pumping up the number of mass shootings they can report.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-mass-shootings-2021-1578383

In fact, the first article I read the other day about the Indianapolis shooting mentioned another "mass shooting":
https://www.indystar.com/story/news...t-brandon-hole-deadliest-15-years/7251532002/

Five killed on Adams Street
The year's first mass shooting occurred after a dispute between father and son over staying out too late, according to court records.

Around 4 a.m. Sunday, Jan. 24, five people, including a pregnant woman, were pronounced dead inside a home in the 3500 block of Adams Street: Kezzie Childs, 42, Raymond Childs, 42, Elijah Childs, 18, Rita Childs, 13, Kiara Hawkins, 19, and Hawkins' unborn baby.

A 15-year-old boy who fled the house was shot several times but survived. He pointed police to the grisly scene inside the home.

Raymond Ronald Lee Childs III, 17, was charged with six counts of murder, attempted murder and carrying a handgun without a license. Childs is the son of the oldest victims, Kezzie and Raymond Childs. Elijah and Rita Childs and the surviving victims were his siblings.

Five killed, right? So that's a mass shooting?

Wrong. This was not in a public space. This was a private residence. Again, if we change our definitions to include historical shootings where 4+ were killed in non-public spaces, then the demographic statistics of the shooters radically change.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

See my other post. The biggest culprit is that more and more Americans place less and less value on each other's lives. Maybe that's not technically mental illness, but there's sociopathic tendencies that have become more and more prevalent.

I'm not qualified to address why this is happening. But it's happening. And things that used to end with a few punches and everyone going home now end up with shots fired. And we can say that's guns (and they are the tools used, no doubt) but it's more the fact that taking someone else's life has become more palatable now than at any time in our history maybe aside from the Wild West.

What do you think the treatment for a sociopath is? There isn't one and most would never go get checked out so???

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Except left-wingers actually pushed this narrative, first, and still do it. What a short memory you have. What, you don't remember the pivot just a few short weeks ago when liberal onlooks on Twitter learned, to their chagrin, that the Colorado shooter wasn't a white man, but a Muslim?

Yeah but these people do this other thing so....

 

[ocfightfan]

We need to make sure that normal hard working law abiding citizens can't defend themselves from criminals and government thugs (but I repeat myself).

 

[Madmick]

Yeah but these people do this other thing so....

I genuinely can't guess the intended reference of this cryptic comment.

We clearly have problems with all of the shootings, and we're in a cluster. There's a number of factors that are colliding in this perfect storm. What I don't appreciate is how the media has changed the definition of a mass shooting on any given day, for any given article, in order to push a liberal agenda on gun policy. The news isn't supposed to be partisan, but it is, and it's entrenched in liberal partisanship. The moment you accept the truth that mass violence isn't really uniquely American, and that almost all mass shootings aren't really any different than regular gun violence, besides scale, it undermines the narrative the media has pushed. They've soaked this narrative in pathos, identify politics, and misinformation about gun classifications and gun laws.

So don't be surprised that their coverage embitters a lot of people, and closes their mind to a discussion about what to do.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

I genuinely can't guess the intended reference of this cryptic comment.

We clearly have problems with all of the shootings, and we're in a cluster. There's a number of factors that are colliding in this perfect storm. What I don't appreciate is how the media has changed the definition of a mass shooting on any given day, for any given article, in order to push a liberal agenda on gun policy. The news isn't supposed to be partisan, but it is, and it's entrenched in liberal partisanship. The moment you accept the truth that mass violence isn't really uniquely American, and that almost all mass shootings aren't really any different than regular gun violence, besides scale, it undermines the narrative the media has pushed. They've soaked this narrative in pathos, identify politics, and misinformation about gun classifications and gun laws.

So don't be surprised that their coverage embitters a lot of people, and closes their mind to a discussion about what to do.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm exhausted with this discussion.

 

[boxingskills]

Bidens America.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

US is over the cliff.

we have no national healthcare system and a population with mental illness every where you look and no way to treat these people.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Looks like people are saying the wrong prayers and sending the wrong thoughts.

 

[Sage NorthGOAT]

 

[Sir Burton]

Does this constitute a mass shooting? Serious question (not sure it does if/when it involves police getting killed)

https://www.wvtm13.com/amp/article/...y-shooting-in-carroll-county-georgia/36124509

 

[cheesus]

Greatest country in the world !

 

[mkess101]

What do you think the treatment for a sociopath is? There isn't one and most would never go get checked out so???

IDK. And I don't even know if people are truly sociopaths or if it's just that they've edged in that direction juuuust enough to where pulling the trigger is no longer out of bounds.

And man...I don't have the answers at all. Wish I did.

 

[Renard]

I just gotta say I have a real issue with labeling a gang shooting with multiple unintended victims the same thing as a fedex employee going postal

Just feels like the nuance I would expect is completely lacking from the conversation

Aka "I don't live in the hood so I don't care if people get killed there. But random shootings are scary because... what if they kill me?"

That infamous lefty "empathy"

 

[My Spot]

Does this constitute a mass shooting? Serious question (not sure it does if/when it involves police getting killed)

https://www.wvtm13.com/amp/article/...y-shooting-in-carroll-county-georgia/36124509

It does according to GVA and MST since at least 4 people (including the gunman) were shot.