Crime 45 Mass Shootings in last 30 days

[dildos]

I'm not sure that works to enough of a degree in the US. It's likely still a good thing. Seems to be that anything short of forced seizure of what are currently legal weapons plus a halt on sales of most if not all types of guns would lessen the attacks. Something that is as of today unconstitutional and a massive undertaking.

Unfortunately I think it's a long game solutions only. Making things safer for the next generation. That's going to take huge change where the work is continued by the next administration and the one after that. Maybe the one after that too.

def restrictions on new sales. ban em all together imo. this should have been acted upon 80s/90s but they were too busy pussyfooting around the existing laws.

 

[Seano]

Why are you bringing up that one off president? What does he have to do with this?

I think you're kinda playing around now because you clearly said



that's at least a bit of but what about your side, no?

I said I didn't do that FIRST. I'll tell the truth is someone wants to take sides. I prefer we address this mental health issue but for someone on the left to act as though its not them that exploits the poor mental health of young americans is a fucking joke and you know it. Don't even try to say its not. Everything progressives stand for is rooted in mental illness and paranoia. Literally everything.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

The one that is has only one purpose while the one that is not has multiple uses and sure it causes more deaths but the reasoning is far more varied and the industry is always attempting to make it safer.

It's a terrible comparison.

You ok with full confiscations and or “buy backs”?

 

[Strychnine]

"Thoughts and prayers... Well, I've done all I can do..."

The standard response.

 

[AndroidRage]

Biden is doing exactly what he is supposed to do on so many fronts. Biden is the man the Capitalists needed.

Fixed for you.

 

[dildos]

You’re right, one’s protected by the Constitution and one is not. And the one that is not, causes more deaths.

equating guns to be like cars shows you are a idiot. well done. i saw that with your first post.

move along now.

 

[My Spot]

I love how people are quick to change the meaning of mass shooting when it fits their objective. It's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa gang related right lol

Gun controlls changed the definition after Sandy Hook (not a coincidence that both GVA and MST started on 1/1/13). Of course that puts them in a bit of a pickle for obvious reasons.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

equating guns to be like cars shows you are a idiot. well done. i saw that with your first post.

move along now.

Are you for full on confiscation and or mandatory “buy backs”?

 

[scorpipede]

You ok with full confiscations and or “buy backs”?

I'm more for stricter laws, harsher penalties, legislation that lessens the negative impact of the second amendment, effective background checks in all types of sales. I'm not for confiscation unless it's a penalty for abusing your right. I believe in the second amendment. I think it needs tempering.

It's frustrating that lawmakers can't agree it's an issue (in public) and reach some kind of agreement on a course of action to try and make things better.

 

[scorpipede]

You ok with full confiscations and or “buy backs”?

I'm more for stricter laws, harsher penalties, legislation that lessens the negative impact of the second amendment, effective background checks in all types of sales. I'm not for confiscation unless it's a penalty for abusing your right. I believe in the second amendment. I think it needs tempering.

It's frustrating that lawmakers can't agree it's an issue (in public) and reach some kind of agreement on a course of action to try and make things better.

 

[scorpipede]

I said I didn't do that FIRST.

He had a good comment even with the light finger pointing but you disregard everything besides that and respond with a mildly related criticism. It's common though. And honestly, it's fine on our level, some fools having a chat on the netz, but it's become too common at the level where it matters and the actual issue gets forgotten somehow.

 

[scorpipede]

Because law-makers/lawyers want these guys on the streets committing crimes, how else are they going to get paid? Same reason 's get off with a slap on the wrist, they know those guys are repeat customers.

I have no good argument against this being true.

 

[mkess101]

I'm not sure that works to enough of a degree in the US. It's likely still a good thing. Seems to be that anything short of forced seizure of what are currently legal weapons plus a halt on sales of most if not all types of guns would lessen the attacks. Something that is as of today unconstitutional and a massive undertaking.

Unfortunately I think it's a long game solutions only. Making things safer for the next generation. That's going to take huge change where the work is continued by the next administration and the one after that. Maybe the one after that too.

Forced seizure of legally owned firearms. And the millions of illegally owned firearms there's not a whole that can be done then I guess?

Would this forced seizure of the legally owned weapons really result in significantly less of these shootings? Yeah sometimes they are carried out with legally owned weapons for sure. But isn't that more a matter of convenience for the perpetrators? Like...they use legally owned weapons because they have them or they have access to them from someone they know. They may know weapons well, etc. But if all those legally owned weapons were confiscated and the gazillion illegal ones still out there, wouldn't someone who's that committed to doing something so awful take the small extra steps necessary to acquire illegal guns? Maybe not all will, maybe some it's pure impulse when they see or hold a gun or...something?

Yeah, eventually guns get old, become unusable, etc. And generations from now we have few civilians with guns aside from the black market stuff and maybe there's less gun violence if it all works out how you project.

But the seizure of guns themselves...don't you think you'd see a whole lot of bloody encounters with that? The police aren't exactly being put on a pedestal right now. Sending them around to confiscate guns...that could set off a powder keg like nobody has ever seen.

 

[dildos]

Are you for full on confiscation and or mandatory “buy backs”?

with guns that can work but they will also have to change the selling laws. buy backs happened in australia after a mass shooting back in the 90s.

a wider scale approach would be needed in america, but if it can get passed through government and get a legislation for it, that would be great.

it would mostlikely have to be forceful. i think the gun culture there and peoples views on their rights to possession is much stronger than anywhere in the world. so many people would not voluntarily submit their weapons.

 

[scorpipede]

Forced seizure of legally owned firearms. And the millions of illegally owned firearms there's not a whole that can be done then I guess?

Would this forced seizure of the legally owned weapons really result in significantly less of these shootings? Yeah sometimes they are carried out with legally owned weapons for sure. But isn't that more a matter of convenience for the perpetrators? Like...they use legally owned weapons because they have them or they have access to them from someone they know. They may know weapons well, etc. But if all those legally owned weapons were confiscated and the gazillion illegal ones still out there, wouldn't someone who's that committed to doing something so awful take the small extra steps necessary to acquire illegal guns? Maybe not all will, maybe some it's pure impulse when they see or hold a gun or...something?

Yeah, eventually guns get old, become unusable, etc. And generations from now we have few civilians with guns aside from the black market stuff and maybe there's less gun violence if it all works out how you project.

But the seizure of guns themselves...don't you think you'd see a whole lot of bloody encounters with that? The police aren't exactly being put on a pedestal right now. Sending them around to confiscate guns...that could set off a powder keg like nobody has ever seen.

Oh no doubt. If we try to take people's guns they'll use the guns. I don't see an easy solution.

 

[Blood-soaked Clown]

Sure but not really, though.
This is what you guys always do, try to make things about someone else. There's a clear and obvious mental health crisis in this country and instead of addressing it, its being exploited to strip you of your rights.
Bah, sheep. Bah.

Mental Illness Not a Factor in Most Mass Shootings (webmd.com)

THURSDAY, Feb. 25, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- Contrary to what many believe, a new study finds that mental illness isn't a factor in most mass shootings or other types of mass murder.

"The findings from this potentially definitive study suggest that emphasis on serious mental illness, such as schizophrenia or psychotic mood disorders, as a risk factor for mass shootings is given undue emphasis, leading to public fear and stigmatization," study co-leader Gary Brucato said in a Columbia University news release. He's an associate research scientist in the university's Department of Psychiatry in New York City.

Brucato and his colleagues analyzed 1,315 mass murders of all types that occurred worldwide and found that only 11% of all mass murderers (including shooters) and only 8% of mass shooters had serious mental illness.

 

[Rocco Siffredi]

Mass shootings is 4 or more wounded/dead excluding the shooter. Thats 3 mass shootings every 2 days.

Yes there are isolated gang related incidents but this is definitely a trend
I'm not pro-court packing but I'm hoping we can SC blue to actually do something about firearms.

Just today, in NYC a man simply bought a rifle in Ohio and carried it to subway in Time Square NYC

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...on-with-rifle-ammo-and-gas-mask-cops/3003397/

Maybe if people sat their ass down in a church once a week this shit would end. Until then a kill is a kill is a kill. So might as well get as much asian snatch as possible while walking this wicked planet.

Plus. korean girls = nom nom nom. Basic fucking math!

 

[mkess101]

Oh no doubt. If we try to take people's guns they'll use the guns. I don't see an easy solution.

Yeah and the bigger issue is the payoff, right? Like, you'd have a bloody mess trying to confiscate the legally owned weapons and even if you somehow accomplish it...you might not even see any sort of real reduction in gun related crime. So you've gone through all that just to see all the illegally owned weapons being used in crimes anyway.

The mental health aspect you guys are talking about is absolutely one thing that the country needs to unite on and formulate a targeted approach to make better. More funding, whatever it takes. But that's just part of it too. This country, for whatever reason (and it's likely a multitude of reasons all combined) is seeing too many citizens that don't see the lives of others as having any value. Not necessarily a nation of true sociopaths...but behavior and mindsets that trend towards it. Guns...make it easy for these sociopathic-lite (for lack of a better term) tendencies to manifest themselves. Let me give an example:

Throughout the midwest over the past few years there's been a group of kids/younger adults stealing cars. They go into neighborhoods and try anything parked outside to see if unlocked. They'll then use the garage door opener to get into the house, swipe the keys off a hanger or whatever, and take off with the car. Or sometimes people are dumb enough I guess to leave keys in the cars. Anyway, about a year and a half ago across town from where I live (suburb), they swiped a BMW from the driveway. In doing so, one dropped a phone on the lawn. So very early morning they came back for it. Well, the lady who lived there and her father in law who was visiting saw them and opened the front door and went on to the porch and started yelling at them. Didn't try to approach them or do something physical (an old man and a lady aren't gonna physically confront 3 young dudes of course). But one of the kids (they look to be pretty young on the ring doorbell images) doesnt' bat an eye to pull out his piece and fire 7 rounds at them. Thankfully, he's a piss poor shot and they scrambled back inside and nobody was hurt. But the point is that these kids saw zero value in the lives of the people who's car they'd stolen. The kids weren't in any danger themselves. The people just yelled at them (which...you steal someone's car it would be expected). But just casually attempts murder two innocent people because..."hey why not"?

It's that mindset that's rotting this country from the inside out. UNITED States? Yeah, sure. When your fellow citizen's life means absolutely nothing to you...how "united" are we gonna be?

 

[LikeItIs]

America is killing it!

USA! USA!!

 

[Headkicktoleg]

I think we just need to go door by door in cities with hand gun laws, then really beef up the southern border so no more illegal weapons enter.