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KhosVaziri said:
no, since that's been disproven they deflect to:

1. Schaub and Mitrione had decent careers even though they weren't that great of football players, imagine what a good football player could do

2. Actually, what they meant to argue about was the impossible scenario of if someone who had the athleticism to make it to the nfl trained mma from a young age, they'd dominate especially at HW
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And still this shit persists.
 
560ti said:
To be fair I don't know why some trolls used him as an "A level athlete" example. Hardy was a 6th round pick, had weak combine numbers, and was almost a decade removed from his prime.

A level would be like Micah Parsons or Myles Garrett, not freaking Hardy
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Funny how the narrative changes... a few years ago there were many posters convinces he was going to be champ, that we've never witness a HW like him, bla bla bla. Now that he has lost 3 in a row, and looked slow and uncoordinated's, " he was never really that great of an altered, etc etc"
And I have no idea who those other guys you mentioned are.
 
I love the way Sherdoggers move the goal post when they lose an argument.

NFL athletes were supposed to be on another level, all A level athletes that were so much better than UFC athletes that they could so easily dominate.

Now that lower-level players and an All Pro have been a fail, the goal post is moved to 1% of the best NFL players (that's what I'm reading). Well, that would mean they aren't any better athletes than the UFC, because only 1% are A level.

And of course, we have Combine scores, which Brock did A level at, but yet couldn't beat any truly good HW, but could only beat a handful of lesser HW's on a weak roster.

It must be nice to be able to create your own reality when your current one is proven false. The funny thing is, you don't even know what a joke you look like to a logical person- you actually think you are convincing to someone other than yourself.
 
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JayPettryMMA said:
It's important to note that he wasn't actually cut or released. His contract ended, and the UFC did not elect to re-sign him.

He'll be in BKFC soon, probably.
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Not having your contract resigned it’s just like being cut. They still don’t want you!
 
Lee_ said:
I love the way Sherdoggers move the goal post when they lose an argument.

NFL athletes were supposed to be on another level, all A level athletes that were so much better than UFC athletes that they could so easily dominate.

Now that lower-level players and an All Pro have been a fail, the goal post is moved to 1% of the best NFL players (that's what I'm reading). Well, that would mean they aren't any better athletes than the UFC, because only 1% are A level.

And of course, we have Combine scores, which Brock did A level at, but yet couldn't beat any truly good HW, but could only beat a handful of lesser HW's on a weak roster.

It must be nice to be able to create your own reality when your current one is proven false. The funny thing is, you don't even know what a joke you look like to a logical person- you actually think you are convincing to someone other than your self.
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I've brought this up many times and after this thread, I'm going to try to never talk about A level athletes again but I probably will if another one gets signed by the ufc at some point.

People used to say that any good D1 college basketball or football player would dominate with a few months to a few years of training to learn tdd and some striking basically. Let alone an actual NFL or NBA player even if they were older.

Then they switched it up to: someone who had the athleticism for the nfl, if only they focused on fighting from a young age, they'd be the best ever. Its an impossible scenario that we may never see or that we won't see any time soon so they can keep the argument going.

They're also trying to say that they actually meant the absolute best of the NFL would dominate. I don't see the point in arguing with these "people" any more.
 
560ti said:
My point was you can not be a freak athlete and still get accolades in the NFL. Hardy didn't even have a top 100 most impressive combine for his draft class alone, there was nothing A-level about him from an NFL athletic standpoint and here he currently is almost a decade removed from his NFL peak (Hardy in 2022 is not A-level at anything so I don't know why people keep talking about it).

Sherdog over-values NFL players even though within the NFL itself there's a huge gap from Hardy to someone like Quinn or Miller. With there logic Brock is signficantly inferior to Hardy because Brock didn't make active roster and Hardy did which is a joke. Talent pool is so weak at 205 and HW that half this forum will over-rated guys from other sports which I don't think is smart
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yeah this is totally a revision of the argument people made here for years. Everyone said that anyone in the nfl or nba could show up and dominate.

Compared to UFC guys, yes Hardy is a freak athlete. Now you're saying the guys who are really freaks, who are the best and most athletic players in the NFL would dominate MMA.

That's fine, you can continue to argue that and we will most likely never see anyone like that compete in mma anyways. Also, even if Myles Garrett started training MMA tomorrow, as soon as he loses people would say the same things: he didnt train MMA long enough, serious enough, didnt train ground work or whatever enough, wasn't with the right team, is outside his athletic prime, etc, etc
 
I'd say poor old Marlon Morales is going to follow him.
Marlon never recovered from throwing away the title fight versus Henry.
 
shrdgr said:
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Should go to PFL but drop his weight down to 245lbs first...

I think he could do well there...but hes carrying too much mass and needs to work on all aspects of MMA... maybe take a year off, get his weight down and hit up the HW tournament at PFL..

He seems to have a good mindset
 
chiefwiggum said:
sonyou think a guy who never fought in his life with no martial arts training until his 30s who fought the top guys went the distance with volkov isn’t a good athlete?

sonyou think he was just really skilled is what gets him by?
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He’s fought plenty times…. They might’ve been women and not pro fighters though
 
KhosVaziri said:
yeah this is totally a revision of the argument people made here for years. Everyone said that anyone in the nfl or nba could show up and dominate.

Compared to UFC guys, yes Hardy is a freak athlete. Now you're saying the guys who are really freaks, who are the best and most athletic players in the NFL would dominate MMA.
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See this revisionist theory doesn't work because I'm not the one who made the claims originally. I'm simply pointing out that they were bogus claims to make, Hardy wasn't even a freak by NFL standards and is almost a decade removed from his prime (some 13 year old shertard screaming "A-level" doesn't make me wrong).

I'm not changing the narrative, i'm doing the opposite. I'm stating the claims were stupid and there's a 95% chance that person knows absolutely nothing about the NFL

StrikerKing said:
Funny how the narrative changes... a few years ago there were many posters convinces he was going to be champ, that we've never witness a HW like him, bla bla bla. Now that he has lost 3 in a row, and looked slow and uncoordinated's, " he was never really that great of an altered, etc etc"
And I have no idea who those other guys you mentioned are.
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I didn't change the narrative. I'm saying those claims have no rational logic behind them and that there's a HUGE athletic gap even within a singe sport.

Hardy was not A-level by NFL standards and is currently almost a decade removed from his prime. Some Sherdog kid screaming non-sense doesn't mean i'm wrong, it means there uninformed and don't even follow the sport
 
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Does that mean he’s off to go get the blood of Ukrainian babies on his hands by fighting for Russian genocidal war machine fund generator eagle Fc?
 
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