International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

If that were ever to happen, I'll be long dead.

In general though, yes, to the victor go the spoils. If the Muslims somehow take over the West one day by whatever means, they would've earned it like any other super power had to earn it. By being smarter and more cunning and more powerful than their opponents. It is what it is. Weaknesses will be exploited until the end of time. Empires rise and fall like the wind blows.

All good man I didn't realize you had a balanced view of the issue. I have no dog in this fight and my stance changes daily just reading through these threads alone, so I can imagine how furious people with skin in the game feel on both sides.
 
Why go hole hog and exterminate all the Palestinians when you can just keep stealing their land and enjoy unqualified diplomatic and military support from the US? As it is they’re getting everything they want with zero consequences.
 
Israel gets bombed by terrorists and doesnt go crazy (Most of the worlds leaders consider Hamas a terrorist organization and prefer business with Israeli Jews over palestinian radicals in Gaza). If they were truly powerful they would of destroyed all of Gaza and expelled Gazans into Egypt and arrest massive amounts of Arab Israeli men who are rioting.

This is what Russia did during the Chechen/dagestan wars, and America invaded 2 of the wrong countries over 9/11 and destroyed their governments and civilian infastructure.

The Chinese notice unrest of Muslims and mass arrest them and kill any opposition. AND they got most of the Muslim world afraid to speak out about their concentration camps. Heck they got MUSLIM countries defending their torture and policies against Muslims!! Lol. Not even mentioning China's conquest of Tibet!!


Saudi Arabia gets hit by rebel or whatever groups in Yemen. They go hard and have non stop been destroying their enemies


African countries too many to name didnt let up when they went to war with one another.

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Israels great Iron dome is effective BUT they need America to replinish their missile supply? That doesnt scream power that they are running out of supplies after 4000 rockets they need America to refill them.

So yeah my point is I feel people on here overrate them and so called "jewish power"
You should check out ignboards in the vestibule section. Video game forum absolutely cluttered with left leaning posters.

If you bring up China and the Uyghurs right now they will literally demand you post proof from a non western source and they will cite that everything being posted bad about China is western propaganda and that there is nothing going on with Uyghurs.
 
Not sure if ts is advocating palestinian genocide or trying to look smart and failing horribly.

The truth is probably somewhere in between :D
 
Why go hole hog and exterminate all the Palestinians when you can just keep stealing their land and enjoy unqualified diplomatic and military support from the US? As it is they’re getting everything they want with zero consequences.

Sigghh. The point is they dont want to stop and their right wingers dont want to but they have to. The fact they need US to refill their missiles and the fact that a terror group supported heavily in a region fired at them 4000 missiles and they didnt respond similar to the Russians, Chinese, US or Saudis etc shows how actually weak they are.

If they could have pushed all the palestinians out they would of already. Their actions militarily are also weak in my opinion and afraid of public backlash, again backlash that the Chinese etc dont worry about
 
I see it the exact opposite way, Israel has never been more powerful and secure relative to its neighbors. They are allies with the Saudis, UAE, and Egypt which are the most powerful Arab countries. Meanwhile their primary enemies among the Arabs, Hezbollah and the Assads, are in shambles from the Syrian Civil War and both Syria and Lebanon are basically failed states at this point. Iran's proxies in Iraq have come out stronger in the post-ISIS era but they're not in any position to threaten Israel.
 
Dont worry about what i find reasonable or not, just worry about how reality actually works. You clearly have 0 understanding of how I think so you should just let it go.

To make it simple, disregard everything you think I approve of/endorse, and disregard what you call my "contradictions".

Just tell me what you think could be a plausible solution to this problem, using your knowledge of how the power dynamics and sentiments from both sides are.
Dont tell me what you think I think, tell me what YOU think. After all, im asking for your opinion about what could be a plausible solution. Even if its just in theory.
What im not asking for is your 3rd rate cheap armchair psychology that fails everytime you try to use it since you dont seem very smart. Tho it might just be that you have horrible reading comprehension.

Still love you sherbro :)

Also inb4 your next post is the same old reading comprehension fail and denial of reality, followed by your thoughts about what I think thats horribly off the mark :D

You're not smart. That's why you are contradicting yourself.
I gave you my answer and you shut it down based on what you believe and think what the situation is.
Now you are repeating the same question and I should not think about what you think. You are not very smart.
I gave my answer and you shut it down based on what you believe to be 'reasonable'.
Don't ask me if you are not really interested in my opinion and my opinion should correspond with what you think to be reasonable.
You don't know the ins and outs. Your 'facts on the grounds' is your subjective view of the situation and you want to force it on me. I have to agree with your view of the situation. I don't agree with your assessment.
Don't ask me if you are not really interested and just want to force your view on me.
 
I see it the exact opposite way, Israel has never been more powerful and secure relative to its neighbors. They are allies with the Saudis, UAE, and Egypt which are the most powerful Arab countries. Meanwhile their primary enemies among the Arabs, Hezbollah and the Assads, are in shambles from the Syrian Civil War and both Syria and Lebanon are basically failed states at this point. Iran's proxies in Iraq have come out stronger in the post-ISIS era but they're not in any position to threaten Israel.

Okay but what I say I think still holds. If Chinese, Russians, Americans, Saudis hell even Brazil was in Israels position or some African nation they would of gone hard and eliminated the threat entirely. Israel didnt win anything in this last conflict, there will be more terror attacks randomly and then more rocket fire in a year or two. The arabs inside Israel now a lot are more antagonized. Yes Geopolitically Israel has more allies now then during the 2nd Intifada, they signed trade deals with many nations like SK and are working with Russians etc. But militarily I dont see them as so strong when they also depend on America to refill their missile interceptors for Iron Dome. Essentially 2012, 2014 etc Israel is just trimming the weeds not eliminating them. A truly powerful nation would of eliminated it (like China)

I also wonder if Israel goes to war with Lebanon via Hezbollah will they be hindered there?
 
Okay but what I say I think still holds. If Chinese, Russians, Americans, Saudis hell even Brazil was in Israels position or some African nation they would of gone hard. Israel didnt win anything in this last conflict, there will be more terror attacks randomly and then more rocket fire in a year or two. The arabs inside Israel now a lot are more antagonized. Yes Geopolitically Israel has more allies now then during the 2nd Intifada, they signed trade deals with many nations like SK and are working with Russians etc. But militarily I dont see them as so strong when they also depend on America to refill their missile interceptors for Iron Dome.

I also wonder if Israel goes to war with Lebanon via Hezbollah will they be hindered there?
Israel doesn't wipe out the Palestinians because of the bad optics that would bring given how intensely covered that conflict is. It would isolate them diplomatically the way South Africa was so they want to avoid that.
 
You should check out ignboards in the vestibule section. Video game forum absolutely cluttered with left leaning posters.

If you bring up China and the Uyghurs right now they will literally demand you post proof from a non western source and they will cite that everything being posted bad about China is western propaganda and that there is nothing going on with Uyghurs.

How do you know these arent Chinese bots and trolls? I have a hard time believing a real leftist would defend the Chinese. Pretty much only western nations voted against China in the UN and their behavior
 
Israel doesn't wipe out the Palestinians because of the bad optics that would bring given how intensely covered that conflict is. It would isolate them diplomatically the way South Africa was so they want to avoid that.

Well that makes them weak. I am saying a powerful nation would of done it and handle it fine. I just think their power is overrated I read about them needing to be refilled missiles and stuff and im like thinking that doesnt signify a nation that stands on its own.
 
All good man I didn't realize you had a balanced view of the issue. I have no dog in this fight and my stance changes daily just reading through these threads alone, so I can imagine how furious people with skin in the game feel on both sides.

If that would happen in his lifetime he would be crying. He will try to stop it to the last breathe. He tries to act as if he is some sort of special human being who is free from this. He talks like this because he feels he is on the upper hand safe behind his computer.
But he is blaming Palestinians for not accepting 'defeat'.
 
Well that makes them weak. I am saying a powerful nation would of done it and handle it fine. I just think their power is overrated I read about them needing to be refilled missiles and stuff and im like thinking that doesnt signify a nation that stands on its own.
The kind of power that would allow them to do what China does is not military power, its more about diplomatic/economic pull and leverage within international institutions and that is the kind of power reserved for only a small handful of countries like the US and China.

In terms of military power Israel is quite up there. I'd say its a 2nd rate military power behind countries like the US, China, and Russia. Probably top 10-15 worldwide in terms of military strength.
 
Sigghh. The point is they dont want to stop and their right wingers dont want to but they have to. The fact they need US to refill their missiles and the fact that a terror group supported heavily in a region fired at them 4000 missiles and they didnt respond similar to the Russians, Chinese, US or Saudis etc shows how actually weak they are.

If they could have pushed all the palestinians out they would of already. Their actions militarily are also weak in my opinion and afraid of public backlash, again backlash that the Chinese etc dont worry about

They didn’t respond that way because they’re still somewhat concerned with optics, not because they don’t have the military capabilities. They’d absolutely love to murder every last man, woman and child in the West Bank and Gaza but there would probably be significant international backlash. Personally I think they could do it and the US would just cut them a even bigger check to make up for whatever diminished relations with other countries would cost them. It’s not worth the trouble when they’re already getting everything they want but they definitely could.
 
Israel doesn't wipe out the Palestinians because of the bad optics that would bring given how intensely covered that conflict is. It would isolate them diplomatically the way South Africa was so they want to avoid that.

Exactly. During the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the British government's strategy was to keep the violence, on all sides, to an, "acceptable level". They had the intelligence and firepower to simply wipe out the IRA, UVF etc within a matter of days had they decided to do so. But that would have been unthinkable in relation to international public opinion. Especially in America. The so-called Special Relationship was too important to put at risk for the satisfaction of executing a few hundred terrorists out of hand.
 
Exactly. During the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the British government's strategy was to keep the violence, on all sides, to an, "acceptable level". They had the intelligence and firepower to simply wipe out the IRA, UVF etc within a matter of days had they decided to do so. But that would have been unthinkable in relation to international public opinion. Especially in America. The so-called Special Relationship was too important to put at risk for the satisfaction of executing a few hundred terrorists out of hand.

That is because the UK is a can today. Can crusher, struggled in the Falkland's as I recall to and has regions of its country wanting to break off. But dont worry America is also a shithole internally but still strong externally
 
You're not smart. That's why you are contradicting yourself.
I gave you my answer and you shut it down based on what you believe and think what the situation is.
Now you are repeating the same question and I should not think about what you think. You are not very smart.
I gave my answer and you shut it down based on what you believe to be 'reasonable'.
Don't ask me if you are not really interested in my opinion and my opinion should correspond with what you think to be reasonable.
You don't know the ins and outs. Your 'facts on the grounds' is your subjective view of the situation and you want to force it on me. I have to agree with your view of the situation. I don't agree with your assessment.
Don't ask me if you are not really interested and just want to force your view on me.
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I have good news and bad news sherbro!
The good news is that you are a perfect fit for the sherdog war room.
The bad news is that you are also a perfect fit for religious and ideological radicalization.

Youre the kind of person who cant distinguish between what is actually happening in the real world, and a persons opinions, even when stated clearly time and time again how they are different.

Since you are a bit slow ima explain it to you one last time. The solution you proposed earlier, to go back to the borders from the old UN accord, CAN NEVER HAPPEN. It can never happen because israel has all the cards and they say no. Wich is why i asked you if you had any thoughts on what some kind of solution that COULD ACTUALLY BE PLAUSIBLE. This is where you went full on derp mode.

Also how tf can i force my view on you, when you are to stupid to realize what I actually think on the subject? You keep confusing me stating facts about what is actually happening, and what i would have wanted to happen in a fair and just world. Even when i had a double quote reply a few posts back where i clearly state that in an ideal world the palestinians would get a happy ending(not talking about the israelis opening thai massage parlors in gaza). And yes, you actually quoted said post and replied to it, but sadly you are such a mental midget you managed to misunderstand such a simple straightforwards line of text. Or maybe you dont even bother reading anything as you seem radicalized beyond what is normal, even by sherdog standards.

What has become clear in our exchanges however, is that you are dead set on living in an imaginary world, where all you do is cry and be butthurt that the palestinians are powerless, and fantazise about solutions that are impossible. The funny thing is im starting to think you are to brainwashed to understand this, thus you will be eternally trapped in your delusions.

I kind of feel sad for you, you need to let go of the salt in your soul. Maybe give sensei Fabia a call, I hear he has some free time now that diego dumped him :D
 
The kind of power that would allow them to do what China does is not military power, its more about diplomatic/economic pull and leverage within international institutions and that is the kind of power reserved for only a small handful of countries like the US and China.

In terms of military power Israel is quite up there. I'd say its a 2nd rate military power behind countries like the US, China, and Russia. Probably top 10-15 worldwide in terms of military strength.

So I wonder how they would handle Lebanon then that has less of a global support system then palestinian narrative. Though the Gulf states were hardly saying anything about this recent Israeli conflict the UAE even blamed Hamas which is logical but it seems all the blowback was from the western powers and Turkey
 
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