International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

the goal would be to frighten people more and more everyday so they break and leave the area, even if it must take years of institutional state terrorism pressure, because the clock is in israel favor. not really difficult to see.

I mean just pause a second seriously. If in the country you live in the state and military came in and told to a whole bunch of residents that they will take their home because they don't have the right religion to them and so they need to pack their shit and GTFO like dogs, would you expect these people to shut up or would you understand that they "throw rock and molotovs" ?

what peacefully protesting against an authoritarian military state that has ruled that your property isn't your property because you dont have the right race is going to accomplish ? Have ever tought of that this way ?

These are caricaturically baseless acusations. 20% of the population f Israel are arabs, most of whom self identify palestinian, the arab party is the 3rd largest in the parliament. Specifically the palestinians in East Jerusalem were and are given the opportunity to receive and israeli citizenship. No one in their right mind thinks all these people will just disappear one day.
Yes there are Far right Jews who want Jews to live in all parts of Jerusalem and employ dirty and provocative shit, but think that this is some grand plan to get rid of all Palestinians is just disconnected from reality in which the Arab population of Israel has been steadily growing and integrating over the last decades.
 
Does Israel have large swaths of the population fighting for Palestinian rights? Or is that just an American thing? I always figure due to Israel being full of folks of the same religion and background and CULTUrE that they only care about their own. Just curious!
Yes, there is a very deep split in population on what is the correct approach. Though a lot of people changed sides to the right after Israel left Gaza strip and evacuated its settlements there and seeing that it led to HAMAS coming to power and rockets.
 
The single state solution is in vogue now in Israel but with incidents like this I find it hard to fathom.
 
Except its not exactly the same situation at all.

As far as Jewish settlements, I'd support their non-eviction if there was a complete moratorium on Palestinian evictions and if Palestinians were granted more freedom of movement and the right to settle in Israel just as the Jews are granted the right to move to Palestine and settle there. Then yeah there would be no need to evict Israeli settlers if Palestinians were allowed to go into Israel and settle there legally. Would you be okay with that? If not, why should Jewish Israelis be allowed to move into Palestine and evict Palestinians when Palestinians aren't even allowed freedom of movement within Palestine?

How can I not be ok with Palestinians settling in Israel when 20% of the Israeli population is already Arab that mostly self define as Palesitinians? this is already the reality. Whereas it has always been the demand of the Palestinians that their newly formed state be clean of Jews.

Because the whole point is to make ti harder for Palestinians to live in Jerusalem and to make it as easy as possible for Jews to move in, eve at the expense of the Palestinians families living there for decades. Otherwise, why weren't they offered automatic citizenship like the Jews? I'd be less sympathetic to the Palestinian families if they were offered that and still refused.

They *are* offered automatic citizenship, this is what I have been saying. Yes, even Jews that immigrate to Israel need to go through a bureaucratic process, prove their family tree etc this is exactly the same thing.
I'm taking specifically about East Jerusalem Palestinians of course.

Are those Arab Israelis given the same right to retake homes if those homes are occupied by Jewish families? Is it happening at anywhere near the same rate?

This is a wierd question. They have exactly the same rights as Jews, there is nothing in the law that seperates. Obviously within Israeli borders this doesnt happen, because there are local authorities, developmental plans etc

And beyond that, we know the Palestinians without Israeli citizenship are under Israeli sovereignty but certainly don't have the same rights and are subjected to a bureaucratic regime that systematically favors Jewish settlers and Jewish Israelis and whose purpose is to expel the Palestinians

Here I totally agree. Thing is, the one place where Israel tried to disengage and leave completely, Gaza strip, it quickly became a hotpot of terrorism under HAMAS control (they took power by throwing PLO officials of the roofs of buildings, for those that forgot) and even more radicalized and anti Israel. Even the Egyptians suffered terrorism in Sinay from Gaza to the point that they closed their border. This whole thing swung public opinion against Palestinian sovereignty inside Israel.
 
So many of my libtard friends denouncing their former zionist gods in favor of the religion of peace, but absolutely 100% unwilling to do a thing about it other than regurgitate posts from other shitheads.
 
As I posted several years ago, this shit will never end.
 
I'm glad we're staying complacent in this so far. Seems like we are finally starting to reduce our world police presence all over the Middle East and in Israel. No more catering to the war monger Netanyahu.

I mean, the Palestinians clearly cannot do anything to hurt Israel. The Israelis have a firm grip on the apartheid game over there. Yet, they continue to feel compelled to play victim and justify flying over and bombing Gaza and killing children all to get some "high ranking general". But but rockets! Yeah, none of which even make it to land fall. All that leaves is rocks and sticks to fight Israel. So they respond with fighter jets. Neat.
 
I'm glad we're staying complacent in this so far. Seems like we are finally starting to reduce our world police presence all over the Middle East and in Israel. No more catering to the war monger Netanyahu.

I mean, the Palestinians clearly cannot do anything to hurt Israel. The Israelis have a firm grip on the apartheid game over there. Yet, they continue to feel compelled to play victim and justify flying over and bombing Gaza and killing children all to get some "high ranking general". But but rockets! Yeah, none of which even make it to land fall. All that leaves is rocks and sticks to fight Israel. So they respond with fighter jets. Neat.

Some rockets did kill Israeli Jews though
 
I'm glad we're staying complacent in this so far. Seems like we are finally starting to reduce our world police presence all over the Middle East and in Israel. No more catering to the war monger Netanyahu.

I mean, the Palestinians clearly cannot do anything to hurt Israel. The Israelis have a firm grip on the apartheid game over there. Yet, they continue to feel compelled to play victim and justify flying over and bombing Gaza and killing children all to get some "high ranking general". But but rockets! Yeah, none of which even make it to land fall. All that leaves is rocks and sticks to fight Israel. So they respond with fighter jets. Neat.
"Their rockets suck, they hardly kill any Israelis so Israel shouldn't protect itself"
Some great logic itt
 
I kinda meant the whole picture of the conflict. But also Sheikh Jarrah specifically. I think the actions of the radical right Israelis there are atrocious, but still its not a simple situation. The palestinians living there were never the owners of the land which was most probably acquired by jews like a century ago and were forcibly evicted by the British, but I think it is a huge atrocity evicting people who have lived there for decades and built there their home. And if the manifestations against the decision were peaceful and logical I'd support them, but they started attacking random Jews, burning down synagogues and municipal buildings and lynching people.
As a side note, if we accept that evicting people that lived in a certain place for decades is wrong regardless how they settled there, what does that say about the Jewish setllers?

This is a fair point I have to say
 
Fuck zionists. They are extremist terrorists that wants to kill or enslave all non-jews. That includes these christians that supports them.
 
Quite a bias title


It is best for the US to not be involved with either party. We should LEAVE the region, no picking sides. Leave and focus on China and our own borders. They can have their sand war between themselves
Exactly. If USA steps away, stops giving them money that US citizens desperately needs, and let them figure everything for themselves, that will bring peace back to the region. There was a time when muslims, christians and jews lived in peace together. Before the zio-pigs came.
 
"Their rockets suck, they hardly kill any Israelis so Israel shouldn't protect itself"
Some great logic itt
There is the concept of dispropotionate response. And the rockets are retaliation for recent belligerent Israeli action.

American media and the rightwing is very selective in reporting the Israel-Palestinine conflict, deliberately ignoring the provocations from Israel that resulted in a Palestinian response.
 
I'm glad we're staying complacent in this so far. Seems like we are finally starting to reduce our world police presence all over the Middle East and in Israel. No more catering to the war monger Netanyahu.

I mean, the Palestinians clearly cannot do anything to hurt Israel. The Israelis have a firm grip on the apartheid game over there. Yet, they continue to feel compelled to play victim and justify flying over and bombing Gaza and killing children all to get some "high ranking general". But but rockets! Yeah, none of which even make it to land fall. All that leaves is rocks and sticks to fight Israel. So they respond with fighter jets. Neat.
I invite you to spend a night with your family under rocket fire... then maybe you can make a suggestion about what is an appropriate reprisal. The only reason they don't do more damage is because of Israel's iron dome. Too much smh in this post...
 
Wtf are you on about, Arab Christians in Israel are among the most educated, well integrated and of the highest socio economic status in Israel, and thus probably in the whole ME.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Israel#Socio-economic
I am from Israel, my father is an arab Christian and my mother is a jew. When they got married, they had to escape from Israel, because the fuckers tried to kill my parents. And as my father said, as they lit the house they lived in, the scumbags were shouting «rape the woman, rape the woman». Fuck all zionists.
 
I kinda meant the whole picture of the conflict. But also Sheikh Jarrah specifically. I think the actions of the radical right Israelis there are atrocious, but still its not a simple situation. The palestinians living there were never the owners of the land which was most probably acquired by jews like a century ago and were forcibly evicted by the British, but I think it is a huge atrocity evicting people who have lived there for decades and built there their home. And if the manifestations against the decision were peaceful and logical I'd support them, but they started attacking random Jews, burning down synagogues and municipal buildings and lynching people.
As a side note, if we accept that evicting people that lived in a certain place for decades is wrong regardless how they settled there, what does that say about the Jewish setllers?

Most of that land "acquired" by settlers before ww1 was purchased from wealthy landlords in Damascus or Beirut who had never even seen the land, and they certainly didn't tell their tenants much. In the US, adverse possession eventually gets you title after some period of time- normally 10 years- regardless of the state of the original title.
 
There is the concept of dispropotionate response. And the rockets are retaliation for recent belligerent Israeli action.

American media and the rightwing is very selective in reporting the Israel-Palestinine conflict, deliberately ignoring the provocations from Israel that resulted in a Palestinian response.

You are beyond help.

If you were a radical I could understand it but I know you are not. So it is strange. There is no excuse for defense of killing because "not as many were killed"
 
I think its really hard to chose a side when we have very few knowledge about the history of that mess.
Internet is full of propaganda and I dont think Israël target civilians for fun, I blame it on Hamas that has an history to use kids and womens to hide, carry weapons.
Its Hamas that tells palestinian kids to go and throw rocks without any concerne about the outcome so really hard to judge here.
 
I am from Israel, my father is an arab Christian and my mother is a jew. When they got married, they had to escape from Israel, because the fuckers tried to kill my parents. And as my father said, as they lit the house they lived in, the scumbags were shouting «rape the woman, rape the woman». Fuck all zionists.

I dont know the story of your family, I'm giving you hard facts. And I personally know many Christian Arabs from Israel that studied with me, there may not be a lot of love between with all Jewish population, but they were very much alive, well off, and certainly not "enslaved".
 
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