International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[Kaiowas]

If the original sin is the occupation which is a direct result of the creation of the Jewish state - then Israel's continued existence as a nation state is all the justification you need for continued violence. Israel is an occupier and oppressor regardless of continued settlement expansion or dispossession in East Jerusalem. The natural conclusion from that chain of logic is that Israel doesn't a moral or justified ground for its existence... which is obviously an inherently problematic view point to have if your goal is to end an ongoing conflict.

Wrong. Both Fatah and Hamas have accepted Israel's right to exist, so you can stop with the hasbara propaganda.

 

[Halifax]

Well if Palestinians came to that israelis home, stole it and expelled him from his land sure i'd be ok with his answer 100%. but we know who does that

How far back in time are people willing to go to say "stole homes"? Given that land is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and was fought over numerous times over millennia with Muslims kicking out and murdering Jewish and Christian natives numerous times and vice versa.

If the Native Americans somehow had the numbers and support to take over America, would you accuse them of stealing white settlers homes? Or are they no longer white settlers because generations of their kin were born and lived there?

It becomes a fascinating exercise in ethics.

 

[Samjj]

Wrong. Both Fatah and Hamas have accepted Israel's right to exist, so you can stop with the hasbara propaganda.

lol, Just like how Bibi believes in peace between two people. what propaganda are you drinking up?

 

[Islam Imamate]

If the original sin is the occupation which is a direct result of the creation of the Jewish state - then Israel's continued existence as a nation state is all the justification you need for continued violence. Israel is an occupier and oppressor regardless of continued settlement expansion or dispossession in East Jerusalem. The natural conclusion from that chain of logic is that Israel doesn't a moral or justified ground for its existence... which is obviously an inherently problematic view point to have if your goal is to end an ongoing conflict.

Whoa buddy you're really reaching and projecting onto me here but then again you haven't been very charitable n this conversation generally. I think I said what I have had to said and these threads tend to suck up a lot of my posts once I get pulled into them so since this is the route we're going I'd rather leave it at that.

 

[Samjj]

Whoa buddy you're really reaching and projecting onto me here but then again you haven't been very charitable n this conversation generally. I think I said what I have had to said and these threads tend to suck up a lot of my posts once I get pulled into them so since this is the route we're going I'd rather leave it at that.

No reaching and projecting here... following natural chains of logic based on your claims. I think we've had these conversations in the past under your previous handle- Kafir Al-Kun, or maybe I am mistaken?

 

[KnightTemplar]

Dont worry you still might get to backpack there

Will just have to wear a big cross on clothes

#crusade2021

 

[KnightTemplar]

Joking aside: leaders on both sides need to step back and de-escalate this shit before it gets even worse.

 

[Kaiowas]

lol, Just like how Bibi believes in peace between two people. what propaganda are you drinking up?

Hamas and Fatah did their part and all it got was expanded settlements and a prolonged blockade. Satanyahoo has made it clear he doesn't want peace or two-state. The ball is in the zionist's court because they have all the control/power but they prefer the status quo because they are racist fuckpigs.

 

[Samjj]

Hamas and Fatah did their part and all it got was expanded settlements and a prolonged blockade. Satanyahoo has made it clear he doesn't want peace or two-state. The ball is in the zionist's court because they have all the control/power but they prefer the status quo because they are racist fuckpigs.

You think "the Zionists" are the racist fuckpigs? What kind of pluralistic societies do you think Fatah and Hamas are running?

 

[Deleted member 512089]

How far back in time are people willing to go to say "stole homes"? Given that land is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and was fought over numerous times over millennia with Muslims kicking out and murdering Jewish and Christian natives numerous times and vice versa.

If the Native Americans somehow had the numbers and support to take over America, would you accuse them of stealing white settlers homes? Or are they no longer white settlers because generations of their kin were born and lived there?

It becomes a fascinating exercise in ethics.

obviously people that have been born and raised in america are not "settlers". they came to the world in that country. i don't believe in punishing people because of the sin of their great great great grandfather.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Nothing, and if you would've asked me that that would've been my response and not some whataboutism about the other side.
Although I do disagree with your presentation, Al Aqsa wasnt attacked out of the blue, what in hell would be the goal of that? There was a huge amount of people throwing rocks and molotovs at Jewsish demonstrators and police (Al Aqsa sits on the temple mount, the holiest site in Judaism and is barred for Jews to access, every year some come to manifest against that as religious discrimination on Jerusalem day). The police here failed miserably at containing the situation but its not like someone just decided to burn down Al Aqsa out of spite.

the goal would be to frighten people more and more everyday so they break and leave the area, even if it must take years of institutional state terrorism pressure, because the clock is in israel favor. not really difficult to see.

 

[JP557CU]

Does Israel have large swaths of the population fighting for Palestinian rights? Or is that just an American thing? I always figure due to Israel being full of folks of the same religion and background and CULTUrE that they only care about their own. Just curious!

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Nothing, and if you would've asked me that that would've been my response and not some whataboutism about the other side.
Although I do disagree with your presentation, Al Aqsa wasnt attacked out of the blue, what in hell would be the goal of that? There was a huge amount of people throwing rocks and molotovs at Jewsish demonstrators and police (Al Aqsa sits on the temple mount, the holiest site in Judaism and is barred for Jews to access, every year some come to manifest against that as religious discrimination on Jerusalem day). The police here failed miserably at containing the situation but its not like someone just decided to burn down Al Aqsa out of spite.

I mean just pause a second seriously. If in the country you live in the state and military came in and told to a whole bunch of residents that they will take their home because they don't have the right religion to them and so they need to pack their shit and GTFO like dogs, would you expect these people to shut up or would you understand that they "throw rock and molotovs" ?

what peacefully protesting against an authoritarian military state that has ruled that your property isn't your property because you dont have the right race is going to accomplish ? Have ever tought of that this way ?

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Ahh the old Anti Semitic card, from the side that is always bitching about the race card being used.

lol at this attempt at justifying being antisemetic

 

[rocketskates]

Hamas fires missiles from Gaza on Tel aviv.
Israel fires back into Gaza

And everybody is only talking about the dead people on palestinian side.
While they started the firing of missiles.

They brain wash the sheep to believe what they want them to believe. Israel evil Israel bad.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

He was asked a loaded question, seemed an appropriate response to me.

 

[Kaiowas]

You think "the Zionists" are the racist fuckpigs? What kind of pluralistic societies do you think Fatah and Hamas are running?

Palestinians are not the ones running an Apatheid state. And it's not only Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims they hate:

Clippers owner: Black Jews treated like dogs in Israel | The Times of Israel

Sterling: "You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs", "The white Jews, there’s white Jews and black Jews, do you understand?”

Girlfriend: “And are the black Jews less than the white Jews?”

Sterling: “A hundred percent, fifty, a hundred percent…”

Coming from the mouth of a Jew. These are the pigs you're defending.

They are the most racist country in the world.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

how dare they not be pushed in a tiny ghettoised fraction and ask from the invading settlers a respectable partition of the land they and their ancestors always lived in. The audacity on those guys

In hindsight, do you think the hell they're living in now was the right choice compared to having a state of their own?

 

[MicroBrew]

lol at this attempt at justifying being antisemetic

If criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, then:

Any criticism of Palestinians is anti Arab racism
Any criticism of Islam is Islamophobia
Any criticism of China is anti Han racism / Sinophobia
Any criticism of any African country is racist
Any criticism of Saudi or Pakistan is racist and Islamophobic


We can all play your game.

 

[MicroBrew]

most israelis prior to israel lived in the middle east. many jews also lived in current israel aswell.

what do you suppose israel does about all this, roll on over for the palestinians. not going to happen. best course of action is as i said push them out completely then it stops being an issue.

or grant them land.

theres no inbetween.

Only the Mizrahi and the Samaritans lived in Israel/Palestine. Most Israelis lived elsewhere.

So according to you, the best course of action is ethnic cleansing and engaging in war crimes , to ensure Jewish supremacy.