International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[fishNjits]

Israel doesn't want Palestinians to have a State, so it's a moot point arguing about Palestinians having Jews in their State.

Not really. Imagine if the PA actually said, "Ok, leave them and we'll treat them like our own." That would really put the Israelis in a bind.

 

[MicroBrew]

Not really. Imagine if the PA actually said, "Ok, leave them and we'll treat them like our own." That would really put the Israelis in a bind.

Israel and the settlers would never agree to this.

 

[MicroBrew]

if they ethnically cleanses the Palestinians and commit genocide i bet anything that posters here will come and justify it

Absolutely. The same posters in here defending Israel would defend the ethnic cleansing.

And they will still paint Israel as the victim and the Palestinians as the aggressors.

 

[Madmick]

Israel and the settlers would never agree to this.

Their consent isn't required. It has no bearing on the Palestinian authority's right to define its own policy.

 

[MicroBrew]

Their consent isn't required. It has no bearing on the Palestinian authority's right to define its own policy.

The P.A. can't do anything without Israel giving consent. Israel won't give consent without the Settlers and their rightwing supporters , like Likud for example, agreeing. The odds of settlers and Israeli hawks agreeing to have the settlements under Palestinain rule is negligible. Settlers are aboutt he most rightwing of Israelis; so to think they would agree to be under a non Jewish government is just not gona happen.

 

[Madmick]

The P.A. can't do anything without Israel giving consent. Israel won't give consent without the Settlers and their rightwing supporters , like Likud for example, agreeing. The odds of settlers and Israeli hawks agreeing to have the settlements under Palestinain rule is negligible. Settlers are aboutt he most rightwing of Israelis; so to think they would agree to be under a non Jewish government is just not gona happen.

The P.A. can absolutely set its own policy whether or not Israel consents to it.

 

[fishNjits]

They were never serious about a 2 state solution. It was all just theatre . The Palestinians asked for a return to the 67 borders and right of return to which Israel refused.

Actually

Israel and the settlers would never agree to this.

I wouldn't doubt that, but so what? The idea is so heinous to the Palestinians that they don't even try it. And let's face it, it would be really politically smart to offer.

Now, the Israelis are never going to return to the '67 borders if that means giving up East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. After the Jordanian's didn't allow the Israelis to visit the Western Wall for 20 years, that's never going to happen.

The right of return can't happen either if Israel is to remain Jewish in nature. Best thing on that score that can happen is money changing hands.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

If criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, then:

Any criticism of Palestinians is anti Arab racism
Any criticism of Islam is Islamophobia
Any criticism of China is anti Han racism / Sinophobia
Any criticism of any African country is racist
Any criticism of Saudi or Pakistan is racist and Islamophobic


We can all play your game.

So When we criticize China for Covid it’s completely racist and encourages anti-asian hate. But when we criticize Jews in Israel that doesn’t? Lol Gotta love the left’s consistency.

 

[MicroBrew]

The P.A. can absolutely set its own policy whether or not Israel consents to it.

The P.A. is limited in what they can do, because ultimately Israel controls the West Bank. They allow the P.A. some measure of control only because doing so allows Israel to justify NOT allowiing Palestinians in the West Bank the right to vote in Israeli elections and enjoy all the rights of being Israeli .

 

[MicroBrew]

So When we criticize China for Covid it’s completely racist and encourages anti-asian hate. But when we criticize Jews in Israel that doesn’t? Lol Gotta love the left’s consistency.

China is criticised by the left all the time, how can you be totally ignorant of the criticism of China over the Tibet and Xianjing issue. The left has been criticising China over Tibet for decades now.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

China is criticised by the left all the time,

Lol

 

[SammyPops]

If criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, then:

Any criticism of Palestinians is anti Arab racism
Any criticism of Islam is Islamophobia
Any criticism of China is anti Han racism / Sinophobia
Any criticism of any African country is racist
Any criticism of Saudi or Pakistan is racist and Islamophobic


We can all play your game.

Different rules for different groups. Jews>>>> than others and life will be better if you learn this.

 

[MicroBrew]

Different rules for different groups. Jews>>>> than others and life will be better if you learn this.

The ultimate benefactors of Cancel Culture.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

In hindsight, do you think the hell they're living in now was the right choice compared to having a state of their own?

they could never have. israel never proposed an agreeable partition of two states. they always purposefully gave outrageously unacceptable proposals so palestinians cannot but refuse

 

[MicroBrew]

Actually


I wouldn't doubt that, but so what? The idea is so heinous to the Palestinians that they don't even try it. And let's face it, it would be really politically smart to offer.

Now, the Israelis are never going to return to the '67 borders if that means giving up East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. After the Jordanian's didn't allow the Israelis to visit the Western Wall for 20 years, that's never going to happen.

The right of return can't happen either if Israel is to remain Jewish in nature. Best thing on that score that can happen is money changing hands.

Palestinians will never take money in exchange to giving up their right to Palestine.

Israel has no choice but to just annex all of the West Bank and make 1 State, for Jews, Palestinians, Druze and others. Short of forced ethnic cleansing, I can't see how Israel is going to keep a Jewish majority. The era of mass ethnic cleansing in the Levant is over, unless you are some group like ISIS.

Israeli strategy seems to be to keep the status quo going, i.e. no Palestinian State and no full annexation of the W.B. but continue with settlement expansion.

Palestinians really should call Israel out and demand a single State.

 

[SammyPops]

Only the Mizrahi and the Samaritans lived in Israel/Palestine. Most Israelis lived elsewhere.

So according to you, the best course of action is ethnic cleansing and engaging in war crimes , to ensure Jewish supremacy.

So whats your point, that zionists should not be allowed to exterminate non-jews?

 

[FIghtxIQ]

35 Palestinians dead. Residential buildings
Was that by Hamas? Because Hamas leaders are being targeted in the attacks. Hamas is just shooting into the city randomly. People are most likely mistaking Israel when it's Hamas that's killing them.

except the bear isn't sleeping it's already eating you and your whole family and everybody can see it

 

[FIghtxIQ]

35 Palestinians dead. Residential buildings


except the bear isn't sleeping it's already eating you and your whole family and everybody can see it

Was that by Hamas? Because Hamas leaders are being targeted in the attacks. Hamas is just shooting into the city randomly. People are most likely mistaking Israel when it's Hamas that's killing them.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

they could never have. israel never proposed an agreeable partition of two states. they always purposefully gave outrageously unacceptable proposals so palestinians cannot but refuse

The Palestinians have to understand that they are not in the position of power in this negotiation. Every time they refuse, Israel takes more land and they get their asses kicked when they fight back. They have to realize that no one is coming to their aid and they're going to continue living in hell and continue getting squeezed into a smaller and smaller space unless they agree to a proposal. That's the cold hard facts on this situation.

 

[BonesWinckleJones]

after more than 1000 rockets and after starting this madness
now hamas begging to israel to call a truce,same as always