International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[Halifax]

The holy site are international grounds, this isn't about the holy areas.

These people lived here for decades and centuries before the Jewish state existed.

Again. How far back In time are you willing to go?

Are you Just going to ignore the earlier Muslim conquests expelling and butchering the Jewish from the land?

 

[Rational Poster]

Again. How far back In time are you willing to go?

Are you Just going to ignore the earlier Muslim conquests expelling and butchering the Jewish from the land?

That happened in a different time, long ago.

We're talking about modern events between modern societies and currently living people now.

 

[cincymma79]

Well if Palestinians came to that israelis home, stole it and expelled him from his land sure i'd be ok with his answer 100%. but we know who does that

Uh huh. That's what happened so I guess we took it last is the argument? Don't answer just hate jews. Call them zionist to throw us off the scent

 

[aitkenmike]

And now he's evicted. I'm sure the free speech and cancel culture peeps will be up in arms.

 

[SammyPops]

And the best way Hamas thougt they could prevent this, is by firing missiles on Israeli targets ?
While they ofcourse knew those attacks would be retaliated.
So they could show more dead children to world, while they started the attacks ?

Agreed- the Palestinians should let jews take anything they want and even offer the jews even more. For example: "yes thank you for taking my house, an would you like to fuck my wife or perhaps take my dog?".

Noone should ever say NO to the jews in Israel.

 

[Bald1]

That happened in a different time, long ago.

We're talking about modern events between modern societies and currently living people now.

So how far back do we take these sorts of conversations? Living memory? A hundred years? Two hundred?

I have no dog in this fight, but the above question is pretty important and can be asked in all kinds of global settings.

 

[Rational Poster]

So how far back do we take these sorts of conversations? Living memory? A hundred years? Two hundred?

I have no dog in this fight, but the above question is pretty important and can be asked in all kinds of global settings.

If you want to go back that far, the Jewish state didn't even exist when the Muslim conquest happened, they were already subjugated by the Romans. And really, it's my opinion that medieval and ancient rights of conquest are absolute and aren't really a factor in modern times.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Agreed- the Palestinians should let jews take anything they want and even offer the jews even more. For example: "yes thank you for taking my house, an would you like to fuck my wife or perhaps take my dog?".

Noone should ever say NO to the jews in Israel.

What are the practical alternatives for the Palestinians now?

1) Do they just go on like this, get humiliated every day and shit kicked when they fight back in small skirmishes

2) Launch an all out war, get shit kicked but cause terrible casualties for both sides (Palestinian's will get far worse) which will eventually garner a cease fire and then rinse and repeat

3) Accept a humiliating and unfair partition where they get some land but they can have a future for their children

If there are any other options let me know.

 

[Halifax]

That happened in a different time, long ago.

We're talking about modern events between modern societies and currently living people now.

Fucking lol. The muslim Ottoman controlled Palestine expelling the jewish in 1917 en masse was "a long time ago". But bringing them back to their homeland after winning ww1 and further declaring it a state in 1948 as a safe haven after the holocaust was "modern"

As long as "it happened long ago" holds to every scenario for you. Natives, slavery, etc

 

[Proud American]

I’m not a fan of Israel or Israeli influence of America at all, but man, listen to this dude. This is a Sherdog poster lol

 

[Rational Poster]

Fucking lol. The muslim Ottoman controlled Palestine expelling the jewish in 1917 en masse was "a long time ago". But bringing them back to their homeland after winning ww1 and further declaring it a state in 1948 as a safe haven after the holocaust was "modern"

As long as "it happened long ago" holds to every scenario for you. Natives, slavery, etc

Jews lived there and far less of them currently, but it wasn't their territory at that point. They were Ottoman subjects.

 

[4daLuLZ]

I sympathize with Palestinians but I am not a fan of answering a question with a question while dodging the one asked of you.

It is not as simple as that and you know it.
And in any worldview, what would attacking innocent bystanders and burning down synagogues accomplish besides more bloodshed?

Not a big fan of the Palestinians and that’s no "mike drop" answer but I kinda understand where they’re coming from on this specific issue.

Afaik the problem is that the Israeli Supreme Court's ruled that these guys from a specific area have got to vacate these homes and turn it over to the Israelis / Jews.
Because back in the day (pre 1950s?) it belonged to them and they had to vacate it and run.

The problem is, the Palestinians feel (rightly imo) that if the Israelis can get back their shit today because they had to flee the violence then, then why the fk aren’t they getting back their homes that they had to vacate all over Israel.
And, to compound the issue, that this shitty order is from the very ones who have perpetrated this injustice.
Kind of like the foxes sitting in judgement of the hens vs their brothers.

I support the concept of Israel but this kind of repeated high handness and lack of gratitude of their situation really has started to annoy me.

 

[Halifax]

Jews lived there and far less of them currently, but it wasn't their territory at that point. They were Ottoman subjects.

The jewish community had been trying for millennia to live in the seat of their religion peacefully only to be expelled /butchered time and time again.

The Arabs revolts in the 30's trying to exterminate the jewish because of their rising population, followed by the holocaust made them finally decide to entrench and fight back in their historic homeland.

But don't let that spoil your narrative

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Uh huh. That's what happened so I guess we took it last is the argument? Don't answer just hate jews. Call them zionist to throw us off the scent

ah the good old "if you don't agree with israel stealing people homes and bombing their children then you're anti-demitic" rethoric. didn't took too long

 

[Deleted member 512089]

And the best way Hamas thougt they could prevent this, is by firing missiles on Israeli targets ?
While they ofcourse knew those attacks would be retaliated.
So they could show more dead children to world, while they started the attacks ?

you tell me what is the best way when a military authoritarian state comes to your land, steals your home, expells you to the most ghettoised territory on earth, bomb you, kills you, emprison you, deprive you of your right, violates your sacred worship place and does that for 70 years. yeah what is the best course of action tell me ?

 

[Deleted member 512089]

And most of the Jewish living in Israel were born there. 1948 was a long time ago.

Yes and of course this applies to them too. Not guilty of what their fathers did and they can live on the land they were born and raised on. Never saw a problem with that. The problem is when they want the other ethnic group (palestinians) to be expelled like dogs or die. People here trying to paint israeli population like they're some harmless saints is pitiful. It's the most systemically racist country on planet earth but somehow everything is excused for them from some people point of view

 

[National Acrobat]

Zionism needs to be expunged from the planet

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Nobody was saying that they support this man being removed from his home. They were saying that they don't like answering a question with another question. It makes you look like you're dodging the reporter's question or can't answer it.

I personally think it would have been more effective to call the reporter out for her obviously biased "gotcha" question and then fired back with his question.

yeah let's make the principal focus point about how he answered the question not about how he is deprived from his fundamental rights

 

[Halifax]

ah the good old "if you don't agree with israel stealing people homes and bombing their children then you're anti-demitic" rethoric. didn't took too long

So when the people firing rockets into Israel to murder jewish folks are mingling with children just so they can have the optics of "Israel is bombing children. Basically using children and families as human shields, how do you retaliate without children getting hurt?

 

[Fugazy]

Someone cliff me