International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[Misanthropist]

Nonsense - Israel is categorically not targeting civilian structures..

The Israelis can’t hide anything in 2021. Everyone can see what’s going on with social media. Unfortunately, mods won’t allow graphic contents posted here.

Israeli Defence Minister Gantz has literally just said "Towers will continue to crumble. There are a lot of targets in line, this is just the beginning."

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Quite a bias title


It is best for the US to not be involved with either party. We should LEAVE the region, no picking sides. Leave and focus on China and our own borders. They can have their sand war between themselves

Except you can't because jewish media and AIPAC lobby got you by the balls. you do not decide your own foreign policy. they decide.

 

[Halifax]

Yes and of course this applies to them too. Not guilty of what their fathers did and they can libe on the land they were born and raised on. Never saw a problem. The problem is when they want the other ethnic group (palestinians) to be expelled like dogs or die. People hear trying to paint israeli population like they're some harmless saints is pitiful. It's the most systemically racist country on planet earth but somehow everything is excused for them from some people point of view

Keeping in mind that in 1939 before the creation of Isreal, the Arabs United and tried to drive them out? And again in the Palestine war? These religious fundamentalists on both sides do horrible shit. Israel merely has the upper hand for the first time, well, ever

I don't excuse them of their atrocities, but I don't excuse the cowards using kids as human shields in the palestinian terrorist cells either.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Weren't a bunch of missiles fired at Israel first?

israel continuously bombards gaza. but yeah the gazaoui are "first". support the oppressor not the oppressed that's a good trait of character

 

[Deleted member 512089]

So when the people firing rockets into Israel to murder jewish folks are mingling with children just so they can have the optics of "Israel is bombing children. Basically using children and families as human shields, how do you retaliate without children getting hurt?

how dare they live with their children in their own houses. that's their fault for having their children killed ! zionist rethoric somehow. you're a clown man I'm done with you.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

yeah let's make the principal focus point about hiw he answered the question not about how he is deprived from his fundamental rights

I agree, and that's a good point to make, but it seemed like you were calling people Zionists for critiquing the way he answered the question. Which, to your point, is a petty thing to do in a situation like this.

 

[SammyPops]

What are the practical alternatives for the Palestinians now?

1) Do they just go on like this, get humiliated every day and shit kicked when they fight back in small skirmishes

2) Launch an all out war, get shit kicked but cause terrible casualties for both sides (Palestinian's will get far worse) which will eventually garner a cease fire and then rinse and repeat

3) Accept a humiliating and unfair partition where they get some land but they can have a future for their children

If there are any other options let me know.

Its obvious. The Palestinians need to do whatever teh jewish israelis tell them to do.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Keeping in mind that in 1939 before the creation of Isreal, the Arabs United and tried to drive them out? And again in the Palestine war? These religious fundamentalists on both sides do horrible shit. Israel merely has the upper hand for the first time, well, ever

I don't excuse them of their atrocities, but I don't excuse the cowards using kids as human shields in the palestinian terrorist cells either.

for the first time ever ? they've been mass killing the palestinians non stop since 2000. Ever heard of the 2008/2009 "operation cast lead" war ? the 2012 "pillar of defense" war ? the 2014 "Operation protective edge" war ? with each time 90% of the casualties being palestinians and 10% israelis or less. Those are super easily verifiable facts. and somehow israel has the upper hand "for the first time" ? you're such a biased disgusting person

 

[Deleted member 512089]

I agree, and that's a good point to make, but it seemed like you were calling people Zionists for critiquing the way he answered the question. Which, to your point, is a petty thing to do in a situation like this.

no i called them zionist for being okay with the oppression of palestinians and trying to cover it with clever words. if 1% of what israel does happened in their country they would immediately call to overthrow the government.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

What are the practical alternatives for the Palestinians now?

1) Do they just go on like this, get humiliated every day and shit kicked when they fight back in small skirmishes

2) Launch an all out war, get shit kicked but cause terrible casualties for both sides (Palestinian's will get far worse) which will eventually garner a cease fire and then rinse and repeat

3) Accept a humiliating and unfair partition where they get some land but they can have a future for their children

If there are any other options let me know.

zionist posters here suggested they all give their houses, pack their shit, leave their own country like dogs with tail between their legs and go settle in egypt or jordan and be refugees in ghetto camps there. for real they basically said that. just put it with clever words to make it seem soo human

 

[Cole train]

At this rate the iron dome will get overheated and melt, rockets flying like its christmas

Some oligarch should really sponsor palestinians one

(Actually my city should get one for hell of it)

 

[Oceanmachine]

Except you can't because jewish media and AIPAC lobby got you by the balls. you do not decide your own foreign policy. they decide.

This is an overstatement. If they so powerful why does Israel still endure Rocket attacks and hostile muslims inside their proper borders?

Also the election of Biden shows a changing times

 

[fishNjits]

Palestinians will never take money in exchange to giving up their right to Palestine.

Israel has no choice but to just annex all of the West Bank and make 1 State, for Jews, Palestinians, Druze and others. Short of forced ethnic cleansing, I can't see how Israel is going to keep a Jewish majority. The era of mass ethnic cleansing in the Levant is over, unless you are some group like ISIS.

Israeli strategy seems to be to keep the status quo going, i.e. no Palestinian State and no full annexation of the W.B. but continue with settlement expansion.

Palestinians really should call Israel out and demand a single State.

The right of return relates to Palestinians returning to lands in Israel proper. There's about as much chance of the United States giving the Sioux back Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota or California to Mexico.

Annexation and one state isn't the only solution. A much better solution is to create an autonomous region under Jordan. The Jordanians fucked this all up to begin with anyway, first by not allowing the creation of a Palestinian country to begin with, second by joining with Egypt and Syria in the '67 War after the Israelis had asked them not to do so.

 

[Oceanmachine]

zionist posters here suggested they all give their houses, pack their shit, leave their own country like dogs with tail between their legs and go settle in egypt or jordan and be refugees in ghetto camps there. for real they basically said that. just put it with clever words to make it seem soo human

No. There are non zionists here saying that but its based on realism. After WW1 and WW2 population swaps and transfers happened.

Sometimes you lose but if you can get a homogenous land mass that is a win for peace that is what they are saying if best for palestinians given the fact they wont get back land lost in wars etc. Maybe hebron becomes a city state etc but at large that what people saying it seems. If Gaza didnt elect hamas it could of become a large proper city state I am sure

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Its obvious. The Palestinians need to do whatever teh jewish israelis tell them to do.

They will be getting no help from their Arab/Muslim "allies" as the United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Morocco, Bahrain, Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with more probably to come. The Palestinians are truly fucked!

 

[Oceanmachine]

They will be getting no help from their Arab/Muslim "allies" as the United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Morocco, Bahrain, Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with more probably to come. The Palestinians are truly fucked!

Yeah and Egypt and Jordan have peace deals and are propped up by the US. Egypt is heavily unstable and could have its own civil war.

Palestinians have to rely on Iran, and Turkey. Lebanon and Syria are broken and so is Iraq. Also Palestinians caused a war in Lebanon so they arent on good terms other than dislike for Israel. The Saudis and Pakistan wont budge either to act for palestiniabs.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

zionist posters here suggested they all give their houses, pack their shit, leave their own country like dogs with tail between their legs and go settle in egypt or jordan and be refugees in ghetto camps there. for real they basically said that. just put it with clever words to make it seem soo human

Let me ask, what would you want your leaders to do if you were a Palestinian with a family in this situation?

 

[Craisier]

Netanyahu's tactics with palestine at this point pretty much boils down to three steps:

Provoke Palestinians.

Wait for Palestinians to retaliate after said provocation.

Use retaliation as an excuse for completely disproportionate military attacks and claim "self defence".

Rinse and Repeat.

 

[Rational Poster]

The jewish community had been trying for millennia to live in the seat of their religion peacefully only to be expelled /butchered time and time again.

The Arabs revolts in the 30's trying to exterminate the jewish because of their rising population, followed by the holocaust made them finally decide to entrench and fight back in their historic homeland.

But don't let that spoil your narrative

They didn't finally decide to "entrench" where they were. The majority of them immigrated there from Europe, and the world governments at the time helped them push the Palestinians out.

And the population was rising because Jewish fundamentalists were illegally immigrating into the region from elsewhere before the holocaust even happened.

 

[fishNjits]

There is the concept of dispropotionate response. And the rockets are retaliation for recent belligerent Israeli action.

American media and the rightwing is very selective in reporting the Israel-Palestinine conflict, deliberately ignoring the provocations from Israel that resulted in a Palestinian response.

What recent belligerent action has been taken against Gaza or Hamas? Hamas isn't the government of the West Bank. It basically inserted itself into a landlord/tenant dispute that has been working its way through the courts.

The PA decides not to hold elections for the West Bank and Gaza again for the umpteenth time in the last 15 or so years. Hamas supporters get riled up.
To burnish his credentials, Abbas calls for the Palestinians to stand tough against Israel and the potential evictions which leads to riots.
Not to be outdone, Hamas starts shooting rockets at Israel.