International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[meauneau]

Last time I checked they weren’t labeled as such by the EU and the US among others and even if they would be, what would that change what I said about Hamas?
So what is your point?

My point is that the label terrorist fits them both. Though in my opinion the label fits israel more than it fits Hamas and Hamas is a necessary thing and a consequence of israeli terrorism.

What is your point?

 

[SanchoMF]

It's humorous that people trot out the same hackneyed arguments again and again rather than focus on the table set before them.

Hate the Jews? Hate Israel? Hate their government and its expansions? Fine. Advocate for a peaceful resolution that favors Palestine. Advocate for resolutions that threaten sanctions or even force against Israel by a collective of governments in places like the U.N.

Hamas did not. They provoked a war.

So don't seek for the world to pity them because they are outmatched or because they don't have an army. Don't have an army? Don't start a war. They're already receiving illicit aid from governments like Iran whom-- as an American-- are my enemy. And you want me to favor Palestine? Take a hike. They ally themselves with people who have chanted death to America for decades, and abetted terrorists who have killed Americans. They don't share my core values, and they aren't interested in being my friends regardless of how we set policy. It will always be "Death to the West".

They didn't stockpile these rockets in a matter of days. They were never interesting peace. They've been planning this for years just as they dug their tunnels for years. They are practitioners of perpetual war. They picked up the sword. This is their bed to lie in.

I'm happy to help the Israelis if they request it.

A lot of people in the West side with the Palestinians because they have a cool rebel image, like Che back in the day.
Of course they won't admit it but damn do they like how the Keffiyeh looks.
They've chosen their side, which is to be anti-Western at every available opportunity even if it doesn't make sense in the context.
Image people, image.

 

[meauneau]

It's humorous that people trot out the same hackneyed arguments again and again rather than focus on the table set before them.

Hate the Jews? Hate Israel? Hate their government and its expansions? Fine. Advocate for a peaceful resolution that favors Palestine. Advocate for resolutions that threaten sanctions or even force against Israel by a collective of governments in places like the U.N.

Hamas did not. They provoked a war.

So don't seek for the world to pity them because they are outmatched or because they don't have an army. Don't have an army? Don't start a war. They're already receiving illicit aid from governments like Iran whom-- as an American-- are my enemy. And you want me to favor Palestine? Take a hike. They ally themselves with people who have chanted death to America for decades, and abetted terrorists who have killed Americans. They don't share my core values, and they aren't interested in being my friends regardless of how we set policy. It will always be "Death to the West".

They didn't stockpile these rockets in a matter of days. They were never interesting peace. They've been planning this for years just as they dug their tunnels for years. They are practitioners of perpetual war. They picked up the sword. This is their bed to lie in.

I'm happy to help the Israelis if they request it.

How is Iran your enemy? How has Iran affect your life or any American's life? On the contrary, America has affected most of Iranian's lives. America has ruined many lives in other countries over the decades. How many lives has Iran ruined in other countries?

Israel is expanding and they are doing it through force and violence. Don't Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against Israeli terrorism?

Hating Israel =/= hating Jews.

 

[Madmick]

How is Iran your enemy?

 

[meauneau]

Some Iranians hate America therefore all Iranians hate America? lol strong logic.

How does the fact that some Iranians hate America affect American lives?

Some people chanting death to America is nothing compared to America actually causing death in many countries over the decades.

 

[SanchoMF]

My point is that the label terrorist fits them both. Though in my opinion the label fits israel more than it fits Hamas and Hamas is a necessary thing and a consequence of israeli terrorism.

What is your point?

You seem to have a few things mixed up : Israel is not are a terrorist nation by definition.
You can call them fascist or whatever you want but the don't fit the bill of being terrorists : Hamas is a terrorist organisation by definition.

By your standards above, Israel's current way of dealing with hostile uprisings is also justifiable because of their history with surrounding nations trying to erase them from the surface of the earth :

Now how does one achieve peace with this way of thinking?
That's right they don't :
The people in Israel that are anti-Palestine do not want to give them an inch and the Palestinians that support Hamas don't want to accept a compromise. This way of thinking is really common with stupid fucking pricks.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No "Levantine Arab" denotes more than just living in the area, it's a term to describe the dominant ethnicity of the region.

I know since there are non-Arabs in the region like the Kurds and in the cities there were often minority communities like Armenians, Greeks, Maghrebis and so on. But the Jews were not among those, they spoke Arabic and other than religion were largely indistinguishable from their non-Jewish Arab neighbors. Even the genetic studies bears this out.

 

[SakurabasEar]

How is Iran your enemy? How has Iran affect your life or any American's life? On the contrary, America has affected most of Iranian's lives. America has ruined many lives in other countries over the decades. How many lives has Iran ruined in other countries?

Are you just ironically ignoring the last 30 years of iranian history, or are you really this uninformed?

 

[meauneau]

You seem to have a few things mixed up : Israel is not are a terrorist nation by definition.
You can call them fascist or whatever you want but the don't fit the bill of being terrorists : Hamas is a terrorist organisation by definition.

That's the thing with definitions, you can never reach a definite agreement of their use. Definitions vary depending on their function.

Jut because the Israelis have a uniform doesn't mean they are not terrorists. And whether some people agree or disagree doesn't matter. If they fit the definition they fit it and that is all that matters.

If you want to try to define it in a way that leaves them out you can try.

By your standards above, Israel's current way of dealing with hostile uprisings is also justifiable because of their history with surrounding nations trying to erase them from the surface of the earth :

So anyone who defends his home and his family is hostile? Wouldn't you be hostile towards anyone trying to force you and your family out of your home with violence and force? Of course you would if you are not a coward.

Now how does one achieve peace with this way of thinking?
That's right they don't :
The people in Israel that are anti-Palestine do not want to give them an inch and the Palestinians that support Hamas don't want to accept a compromise. This way of thinking is really common with stupid fucking pricks.

Why should they accept an outcome that is detrimental to them? Israel clearly doesn't want any compromise, they want to terrorise Palestinians into submission.

 

[meauneau]

Are you just ironically ignoring the last 30 years of iranian history, or are you really this uninformed?

I ask you the same about America.

 

[Madmick]

Some Iranians hate America therefore all Iranians hate America? lol strong logic.

How does the fact that some Iranians hate America affect American lives?

Some people chanting death to America is nothing compared to America actually causing death in many countries over the decades.

That's their parliament.

I could go on and on about how Iranians have armed insurgent groups that have killed American troops wherever Americans are in the Middle East, even if it doesn't involve the Iranians, and how they are listed as one of the state sponsors of terrorism by our own government; their efforts to destabilize regimes we've sought to aid in establishing their own rule in places like Iraq; government-orchestrated cyberattacks on American institutions and businesses; unprovoked Iranian bombing of commercial vessels traveling through the Gulf of Oman solely to disrupt western supply chains that affect us all, not just Americans; Iranians seizing American civilians (or Canadians) and imprisoning them as spies without any evidence knowing full well that they are nothing more than college students because they seek leverage to barter; and on and on.

It wouldn't matter. I could present you with Clayton Bigsby standing on a porch ranting about how the n******s ruined the country, and you'd reply, "How is that guy racist?"

 

[meauneau]

That's their parliament.

I could go on and on about how Iranians have armed insurgent groups that have killed American troops wherever Americans are in the Middle East, even if it doesn't involve the Iranians, and how they are listed as one of the state sponsors of terrorism by our own government; their efforts to destabilize regimes we've sought to aid in establishing their own rule in places like Iraq; government-orchestrated cyberattacks on American institutions and businesses; unprovoked Iranian bombing of commercial vessels traveling through the Gulf of Oman solely to disrupt western supply chains that affect us all, not just Americans; Iranians seizing American civilians (or Canadians) and imprisoning them as spies without any evidence knowing full well that they are nothing more than college students because they seek leverage to barter; and on and on.

It wouldn't matter. I could present you with Clayton Bigsby standing on a porch ranting about how the n******s ruined the country, and you'd reply, "How is that guy racist?"

America has done worse by any metric and you know it. Destroyed economies, left people poorer than they were before America got involved, cause death, destroyed lives, etc. This doesn't mean some country should bomb America or punish it's people. Most people have no idea what their leaders are doing.

 

[Hadron90]

They didn't stockpile these rockets in a matter of days. They were never interested in peace.

And I guess Israel just got those F-35s delivered yesterday?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I know since there are non-Arabs in the region like the Kurds and in the cities there were often minority communities like Armenians, Greeks, Maghrebis and so on. But the Jews were not among those, they spoke Arabic and other than religion were largely indistinguishable from their non-Jewish Arab neighbors. Even the genetic studies bears this out.

Religion is often a big marker for identity and this is especially for Jews as their religion as a huge cultural/ethnic component to it.

 

[Halifax]

The usual muted response from someone who just read up on Stern Gang, Haganah and Irgun, but hasn't come to terms with the fact that the rogue nation elected terrorists as their leader.

No just the response of someone tired of watching you dodge, evade and misrepresent points. Clearly you are not interested in honest discussion.

 

[SanchoMF]

That's the thing with definitions, you can never reach a definite agreement of their use. Definitions vary depending on their function.

Jut because the Israelis have a uniform doesn't mean they are not terrorists. And whether some people agree or disagree doesn't matter. If they fit the definition they fit it and that is all that matters.

If you want to try to define it in a way that leaves them out you can try.

So anyone who defends his home and his family is hostile? Wouldn't you be hostile towards anyone trying to force you and your family out of your home with violence and force? Of course you would if you are not a coward.

Why should they accept an outcome that is detrimental to them? Israel clearly doesn't want any compromise, they want to terrorise Palestinians into submission.

I see what you're doing..
I can spot a difference between Hamas and the Palestinians. One is a terrorist/terrorist org and the other is a Palestinian.
Are you able to distinguish a normal Israeli and the oppressor of that same origin or are they the same to you?
They all think alike and act alike?

You're also a walking, talking, double-standard and everything you claim as righteous to the Palestinians or actually to Hamas, since that was the topic here, can be said about the Israelians/IDF.
They were to be overrun by their neighbours, so they fought and won. Then there was a few million Palestinians that got driven out and since then there has been multiple offers on the table from Israel, negotiated with the help of the international community.
The PLO and Hamas won't take a compromise so they get nothing and the offer gets reduced each time.

A compromise is the only solution. Otherwise it's jack shit and shanty towns.

 

[meauneau]

Religion is often a big marker for identity and this is especially for Jews as their religion as a huge cultural/ethnic component to it.

It does and if you read the Talmud you will see how it paints a supremacist picture of Jews. Everything else is inferior to Jews, we are like animals. This is what they are taught.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Religion is often a big marker for identity and this is especially for Jews as their religion as a huge cultural/ethnic component to it.

Uh sure I never denied that and I even mentioned its how communities were organized in the premodern period. But Jews in Palestine were nothing like what you would call a nation in the modern sense of the word hence why the Zionist movement started in Europe and was exported to the region and didn't grow organically from the native Jewish community.

 

[Madmick]

And I guess Israel just got those F-35s delivered yesterday?

Israel didn't commit the first strike.

Try again.

 

[Madmick]

America has done worse by any metric and you know it. Destroyed economies, left people poorer than they were before America got involved, cause death, destroyed lives, etc. This doesn't mean some country should bomb America or punish it's people. Most people have no idea what their leaders are doing.

Concession accepted on the matter of Iran being my enemy.