International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[Kaiowas]

The usual muted response from someone who just read up on Stern Gang, Haganah and Irgun, but hasn't come to terms with the fact that the rogue nation elected terrorists as their leader.

 

[Gregolian]

There is none, he loves to split hairs on that point to distract from the larger issue.

He does have a point of course, initially the Arabs of the region wanted to live under a united Arab state that was promised to them by the British before the Arab Revolt. Then afterwards they wanted to live under King Faisal in the Kingdom of Syria. That's because while Palestine was seen as a distinct subregion it was also seen as part of greater Syria.

The hilarious thing is my dad has old maps from when he was going to school at King's Point in the fucking 60s that still list what became Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and a chunk of Jordan "Palestine".

 

[SanchoMF]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nti-Semitism-claiming-Israel-not-country.html

Fucking nice my bro’s : the models and actresses are chiming in, the experts of everything are officially are here.

Imagine if the golden globes were happening? They’d have plenty of material for their speeches.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

So the Native Americans weren't a distinct group so we all should have done what Australia did and march them into the ocean is what I'm reading. See how stupid your argument is?

@Limbo Pete you wanna take over before I go into rant territory and get cards?

Where did I say that? They certainly were a distinct group, they were Levantine Arabs along with the modern day Jordainians, Syrians and Lebanese.

 

[dannialn]

Comparing a civil conflict to a war does not make much sense does it? Palestine does not have an army or a country.

Lol? I wasn't the one comparing between the two, in fact, the idea of my reply was that they weren't the same

 

[Islam Imamate]

Where did I say that? They certainly were a distinct group, they were Levantine Arabs along with the modern day Jordainians, Syrians and Lebanese.

So were the Jews of the region.

 

[Gregolian]

Where did I say that? They certainly were a distinct group, they were Levantine Arabs along with the modern day Jordainians, Syrians and Lebanese.

And there has never been a historical reference to "Levant" outside of the Old Testament and the other Abrahamic religious texts. It was colloquially called the Arab Empire, Mongol Empire, Persian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire.

So this whole "THEY'RE NOT PALESTINIANS THEY'RE LEVANTIAN ARABS" argument of yours is a semantic one and a bad one at that. It's like arguing with someone that "THERE WAS NO TRIBE CALLED THE NATIVE AMERICANS THEY WERE ALL CHEYENNE, CHEROKEE, SEMINOLE, MOHAWK and OTHER INDIVIDUAL TRIBES!!!!"

You're ultimatly arguing over something incredibly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

To use a different example than the Native Americans:


Ask someone from the area that is considered Palestinian by outsiders and ask if they're Palestinian or Levantian Arab and see what their reaction is.

 

[KOQ24]

Where did I say that? They certainly were a distinct group, they were Levantine Arabs along with the modern day Jordainians, Syrians and Lebanese.

There's so many different ethnic groups that have lived in that region since the first human settlements.Categorizing Lebanese as "Levantine Arabs" is stupid.

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

They have rockets. Lmao?

Their rockets lack precision

 

[WhiskyJack]

Lol @ most of you backing terrorists over Israel. Goes to show how far left and unhinged the democrats and their secret Neo Nazi supporters who claim to be "conservatives" on the right have become.

 

[Islam Imamate]

And there has never been a historical reference to "Levant" outside of the Old Testament and the other Abrahamic religious texts. It was colloquially called the Arab Empire, Mongol Empire, Persian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire.

So this whole "THEY'RE NOT PALESTINIANS THEY'RE LEVANTIAN ARABS" argument of yours is a semantic one and a bad one at that. It's like arguing with someone that "THERE WAS NO TRIBE CALLED THE NATIVE AMERICANS THEY WERE ALL CHEYENNE, CHEROKEE, SEMINOLE, MOHAWK and OTHER INDIVIDUAL TRIBES!!!!"

You're ultimatly arguing over something incredibly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

To use a different example than the Native Americans:


Ask someone from the area that is considered Palestinian by outsiders and ask if they're Palestinian or Levantian Arab and see what their reaction is.

What he misunderstands is that people can have layered identities. Yes what we call Palestine was often part of wider regional groupings but its also the case that people who lived in Palestine were aware of the unique historical and cultural significance of that subregion.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't understand how politicians in the West always harp on "GO BACK TO 1967 BORDERS!" like it's a magical cure all. It'd put both Israel and the state that would become Palestine to be the size of like.. Rhode Island.....

Its seen as the safe answer, that's why. Problem is that in the time it took for the international community to agree on that, the solution ceased to be viable.

 

[Gregolian]

What he misunderstands is that people can have layered identities. Yes what we call Palestine was often part of wider regional groupings but its also the case that people who lived in Palestine were aware of the unique historical and cultural significance of that subregion.

"You aren't Iraqi you're actually Babylonian!"

That's what it sounds like to me.

 

[Samjj]

What he misunderstands is that people can have layered identities. Yes what we call Palestine was often part of wider regional groupings but its also the case that people who lived in Palestine were aware of the unique historical and cultural significance of that subregion.

Citation?

 

[Gregolian]

Lol @ most of you backing terrorists over Israel. Goes to show how far left and unhinged the democrats and their secret Neo Nazi supporters who claim to be "conservatives" on the right have become.

I can call out the Israelis being shitheels while also making mention of the Palestinians being shitheels too.

That video of the man trying to get his 7 or 8 year old to run at the IDF soldiers with a Palestinian flag while screaming (if subtitles are right) "run at them so they shoot you!"

 

[Bubzeh]

Lol @ most of you backing terrorists over Israel. Goes to show how far left and unhinged the democrats and their secret Neo Nazi supporters who claim to be "conservatives" on the right have become.

Just American's being American's. Zero backbone. They've been conditioned to self hate, feel like they're in the wrong at all times and hate their own land. So as soon as they see a country stick up for themselves (albeit aggressively) rather than give away free air jordans from foot locker to people and free cash for those that aren't interested in getting a job, they cry like pussies.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

So were the Jews of the region.

The Jews have always been difficult to assimilate as they've always kept their culture/language and traditions. I think we'd be able to easily distinguish the Jews from the others in the Levante as distinct.

 

[Samjj]

"You aren't Iraqi you're actually Babylonian!"

That's what it sounds like to me.

It’s actually a somewhat important distinction. What separates different Native American tribes and say modern Arab nationalism is 1) their unique history and distinctiveness from one another and 2) their national aspirations.
To say that “Palestinians” didn’t exist in the region is true because the concept of “ Palestinian” is a modern national movement with little cultural and historical distinction between neighboring Arab identities. Modern spoken Palestinian Arabic is very similar (if not identical to) modern Syrian or Lebanese dialects. There was no distinct Palestinian kingdom or collective identity really prior to Zionist settlement. The formation of the identity was largely a reactive one to an increased Jewish presence in the region which had their own national aspirations at hand.

Meanwhile tribes of Native Americans had distinct languages, utilized different technologies, and different customs... there was also never a Pan-Native American identity which sought to form its own nation-state on American soil... the list of differences goes on...

 

[fishNjits]

Gaza is basically an open air detention camp of sorts, because Israel , and its buddy Egypt, controls the lives of Gazans because they control the borders.

Israel recently indicated it was going to kick out 8 Palestinians familes in East Jerusalem. This is a belligerent action, it is the continuation of the territorial conquest Israel has been carrying out for decades. The rocket attakcs came after Israel raided the Al Aqsa mosque because of Palestinian protesters on the ground, who were protesting Israel's decision to kick out the 8 Palestinian families from their homes. Palestinian action is a response to Israeli oppression.

Nope. This is nothing but a landlord/tenant dispute. These people either have leases that are up or are actually squatters. The title to the land in Sheikh Jarrah never belonged to the Arabs living there.

Post 1948, it was widely asserted that neither Jordan nor Egypt had a claim to the West Bank or Gaza, both ignored this (the real beginning of the problem). The property in Sheikh Jarrah and a few other neighborhoods came under the control of the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Property (note "enemy property", this was land purchased by Jews in the mid-1800s from the Ottoman Empire). The JCEP, in turn, awarded title or long-term leases to Palestinian families.

Following the 1967 war, in 1982, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that where Palestinians were awarded title to the disputed property by the JCEP, they would retain title. However, if the Palestinians were only awarded long-term leases, the leases would remain in force for their duration, but title would go to the descendants of the Jews that had owned that property before 1948. Nobody with title to the land (even if illegally awarded by the JCEP) is being evicted.

But the leases have been up for some time. The cases have been going through the courts FOR YEARS and are coming to their logical conclusion.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The Jews have always been difficult to assimilate as they've always kept their culture/language and traditions. I think we'd be able to easily distinguish the Jews from the others in the Levante as distinct.

Every religious community was distinct from the others because people didn't organize them selves along national distinctions but rather communal ones based on religion. So yes the Jews were distinct from the Muslims who were distinct from the Christians who were distinct from the Druze and so on. But according to your logic they're all Levantine Arabs.

"You aren't Iraqi you're actually Babylonian!"

That's what it sounds like to me.

Yeah completely misunderstands the history. Many different nations and peoples were ruled by expansive empires in the premodern ear, that doesn't mean those distinctive people didn't exist.

Citation?

You’re categorically dishonest in your deciding which pieces of history are relevant to the discourse and which not. You also have a fundamental misunderstanding of one side of the conflict and resist every opportunity to do so. Fare thee well Samjj, I hope you find gainful employment and a loving partner someday.