Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[franklinstower]

It's not selfish and childish to not vote for your guy. It's selfish and childish to post what you just did, though.

I dont think its selfish or childish to unite the party.

 

[franklinstower]

He’ll pivot towards trimming SS? Maybe. But that’s not what the video implied.

I don’t even care to argue about this stuff. I don’t think Joe is a good candidate. He has brain damage and there at least 5 better choices (including Bernie). The video is bullshit and I don’t know why you guys have to spin it.

Show where I spun it. Ive called it BS twice in the last 5 posts....... Ive said that straight out......

 

[kpt018]

Show where I spun it. Ive called it BS twice in the last 5 posts....... Ive said that straight out......

This spin comes after you claim the video was an accurate portrayal of Biden’s view. Hard stop. One, it isn’t, but two that effectively implies that it’s not slimy.

 

[Lead]

Who should be on the stage beyond people who can win a delegate, and people who can get 10%?

Also, this rule change directly helps Bernie.

I’m confused what you mean with the first part? I was saying the donation rule made sense to slim down the field but also prevent it from being any single large donor from getting them in. Bloomberg was a special case cause I believe he isn’t taking donations so he never could qualify

 

[franklinstower]

This spin comes after you claim the video was an accurate portrayal of Biden’s view. Hard stop. One, it isn’t, but two that effectively implies that it’s not slimy.

Thats not spin. Its the facts.

It is bullshit they posted that video. This is the fourth time Ive said this. No one made me say it. I said it of my own accord.

Having said that there are lots of examples of Biden supporting cuts to SS. It has been his position to do so multiple times. That is just accurate.

I dont support the Bernie team ever lying even once and if they take that turn and start lying they can eat shit as they will become like the reat of them.

If Bernie were ever caught plagiarizing speeches as Biden has been, or if he was caught lying about his degrees of education, placement in his class, and scholarships as Biden has then I would already not be feeling the Bern.

If this isnt enough for you then you are unreasonable.

 

[kpt018]

Thats not spin. Its the facts.

It is bullshit they posted that video. This is the fourth time Ive said this. No one made me say it. I said it of my own accord.

Having said that there are lots of examples of Biden supporting cuts to SS. It has been his position to do so multiple times. That is just accurate.

I dont support the Bernie team ever lying even once and if they take that turn and start lying they can eat shit as they will become like the reat of them.

If this isnt enough for you then you are unreasonable.

What you’re doing is qualifying the fact that Bernie’s team posted a bogus out of context edited video. “It’s bullshit but that’s what Joe believes anyway”. That implies it’s not as bad as critics of the move claim.

This isn’t much better than what Trump supporters do.

And I’ve said this several times and it gets ignored but Joe is not comparable to Ryan, so no, the video does not represent Joes views. Joe’s talked about trimming SS to extend its viability. Ryan would privatize it. Joe is wrong but they’re leagues apart.

 

[franklinstower]

What you’re doing is qualifying the fact that Bernie’s team posted a bogus out of context edited video. “It’s bullshit but that’s what Joe believes anyway”. That implies it’s not as bad as critics of the move claim.

This isn’t much better than what Trump supporters do.

And I’ve said this several times and it gets ignored but Joe is not comparable to Ryan, so no, the video does not represent Joes views. Joe’s talked about trimming SS to extend its viability. Ryan would privatize it. Joe is wrong but they’re leagues apart.

What I said is true. It is factual. It IS bullshit they posted the video. Others are taking that fact and spining it into misrepresenting Bidens stance on this issue. It is nessesary to correct this.

You are being unreasonable and childish. I cant see any other way to take this. You are misreading my motives and avoiding the plain facts in front of you.

I cant help you with that.

 

[Jack V Savage]

They're even hostile to moderate Sanders voters. It's the revolution, bro. We're like, lucky they're letting us vote for him.

They're trying to be like the Trump cult, where even a shameless toady like Matt Gaetz is seen as not submissive enough to Dear Leader. But the problem is that they're attempting it with an inherently fissiparous coalition. And Bernie needs to get a big chunk of the remaining 75%-80% of Democratic voters who don't currently list him as their first choice to win the primary, and virtually all of them to win the general.

 

[Trotsky]

Clinton has tried to kneecap Sanders for the umpteenth time.






The notion that Sanders didn't support her in the general is complete and utter horseshit. He did FOUR times as many campaign events for her as she did for Obama in '08.





...and twice as many Clinton supporters in '08 voted Republican as Sanders supporters did in 2016.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/


There was just as much bitterness directed at Obama by Clinton supporters in '08 as there was by Sanders supporters towards Hillary and the DNC in 2016.





Also, note that the person who interviewed Hillary for that NYT piece is a trust fund heir to two different billion dollar fortunes who went on MSNBC last year and said that Sanders "makes her skin crawl."

Yeah, it's absolutely incredible. Clinton's complete disregard for facts or reason in re Sanders is truly Republican-esque.

 

[Sano]

It's not selfish and childish to not vote for your guy. It's selfish and childish to post what you just did, though.

He's just mirroring what democrats have been saying since 2016 now, using it as a talking point against the progressives. Man, you are really turning into a real sourpuss these last few days.

EDIT: Lots of crying and scrambling in this thread since Bernies surge wow.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Yeah, it's absolutely incredible. Clinton's complete disregard for facts or reason in re Sanders is truly Republican-esque.

I haven't really looked into but the claims I see are not so much that Bernie didn't campaign for her but that he stayed in the primary for a while even when it was clear he didn't have a path to victory.

But again I haven't really looked into it much.

 

[b34stmode]

If Bernie gets cucked out of the nomination again you guys 100% lose the election. Sad fact is Bernie does worse than Biden in 1v1 debates.

 

[jrams]

They needed to get Bloomberg on stage. Scrapping individual donors as a criteria all together is a shitty move though. But it's the DNC, so what would you expect?

The "Democratic" party having super delegates is the problem, not the timing of when they can vote. Might as well hand out the seven commandments at the convention.

 

[franklinstower]

I haven't really looked into but the claims I see are not so much that Bernie didn't campaign for her but that he stayed in the primary for a while even when it was clear he didn't have a path to victory.

But again I haven't really looked into it much.

He left the primary sooner than Hillary did for Obama and campaigned for her more than she did for Obama.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

He left the primary sooner than Hillary did for Obama and campaigned for her more than she did for Obama.

The 2008 primary was much closer, Hillary actually beat Obama in the popular vote

 

[franklinstower]

The 2008 primary was much closer, Hillary actually beat Obama in the popular vote

OK but that doesnt negate the facts at all.

 

[Jack V Savage]

OK but that doesnt negate the facts at all.

Er, yes it does. Remember this part: "even when it was clear he didn't have a path to victory."

 

[Trotsky]

I haven't really looked into but the claims I see are not so much that Bernie didn't campaign for her but that he stayed in the primary for a while even when it was clear he didn't have a path to victory.

But again I haven't really looked into it much.

It's both. And he did stay in longer than necessary but that's not uncommon or exceptional, and his support of her in the general was, as that poster pointed out, much more full throated than her support of Obama. And, accordingly, his supporters backed her more than hers backed Obama.

Besides blaming Sanders, it's remarkable to me how little reflection Clinton has done about her 2016 loss and the failings of her campaign in terms of messaging and just sher effort.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

OK but that doesnt negate the facts at all.

Like I said I don't know the facts but the contention is that Bernie stayed in the race when he didn't have a path to victory

If you have evidence that's not true feel free to share

Or if you have evidence Clinton did the same in 08 feel free to share it.

But just looking at end results from 2016 and 2008 it appears Clinton stayed in longer because she was a viable candidate in 2008 longer than Bernie was in 2016.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries