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Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

Who do you support most out of the remaining Democratic candidates?

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Cowardly
Arrogant
Dismissive
Myopic
Disastrous
Belittling
Morally questionable

and just plain wrong
This is a big cop-out, and I think you're behaving this way because I've disagreed with you a lot and haven't been all that nice about it. I think you owe it to me to understand at least some of my policy positions and ideology before attacking them, and your post here is super empty and fueled by resentment.
 
He's referring to the obvious hypocrisy in your political posture: saying that we need solidarity and empathy while egregiously misrepresenting and scapegoating persons who are very marginally different in terms of political philosophy and who are completely willing to discuss their political beliefs in good faith and saying they are contemptuous of their fellow man. Also, you saying that JVS has great contempt for the working class is not only absurd: it's slanderous and despicable.

However, @Jack V Savage, you are wrong about liberals/Democrats consistently fighting for organized labor in a way remotely similar to the socialist left, to which xcvbn likely believes himself to belong. If that was the case, it would never have been blown to shreds. In fact, here's a WashPo article from last week detailing how Virginia Democrats enacted right-to-work and, now that they have both a strong legislative majority and control of the executive, are the only thing in the way of its repeal: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/04/right-to-work-is-here-stay-virginia/
Where is the contradiction? Namely, which struggle of the managerial class requires solidarity from the working class?

I'm specifically not talking about empathy or sympathy or kind words- I'm talking about this managerial elite(the top 1-20%) taking the necessary steps of making the working class struggle their struggle. We know what empty gestures and nice words have gotten us as you kindly point out in your second paragraph.
 
and just plain wrong
Tell me where I'm horribly out of line here:

UHC or Public Option are both okay with me, and we desperately need one or the other (Top Priority)
EPA and other environmental and health-monitoring orgs like the CDC must be dramatically restored and increased in regulatory power
The all-out attack on women's health must be defeated
Union-busting laws like right-to-work are a disaster, and Labor must be as free as Capital (it's a rigged game). Major priority
The courts must move left soon or we're going to have major problems for at least a generation
Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Israel must be brought to heel in their aggression, and we must cut military aid and sales to Israel and SA drastically
Wealth must be redistributed more equitably, which means serious changes toward progressive taxation. Major Priority

That's kind of my wheelhouse. I would think you'e basically in line with those major points. Where we seem to disagree is how to get that done in a flesh and blood world, though I would happily support your candidate even if I don't think his way is best.
 
You were the biggest Hil Dawg fan on this forum in 2016.

I don't think you said anything in favor of Bernie other than "He'd be better than Trump"

No, you're remembering other people saying that about me. Look through the archives.
 
He's definitely down playing his clinton promotion during 2016.

Not at all. I said throughout the campaign at many times that they were both pretty good and that there wasn't a big difference. Hence my point. Bernie fanatics were ridiculously misrepresenting my comments.
 
He's definitely down playing his clinton promotion during 2016.

Well when everyone on here was saying that Clinton is the 2nd coming of Stalin and Hitler normal support for her will look extreme to them.

It was a common opinion on here to support Bernie and say you would vote for Trump if Bernie lost the primary

But looking back who had a normal and healthy take on Hillary?
 
Not at all. I said throughout the campaign at many times that they were both pretty good and that there wasn't a big difference. Hence my point. Bernie fanatics were ridiculously misrepresenting my comments.

You said Obama was one of the greatest potus in history, and Hillary would expand beyond that. You also claimed that she would be among the most intelligent and most qualified potus. You're down playing the fervor you had for her.
 
No, you're remembering other people saying that about me. Look through the archives.


I'm remembering you as the biggest Hillary supporter on this site accurately.

You're welcome to share some of your old pro Bernie posts here however
 
I'm remembering you as the biggest Hillary supporter on this site accurately.

You're welcome to share some of your old pro Bernie posts here however

That's because this site had a very anti Hillary slant.

Do you really think it's normal to support Bernie and at the same time pick Trump over Hillary?
 
Tell me where I'm horribly out of line here:

UHC or Public Option are both okay with me, and we desperately need one or the other (Top Priority)
EPA and other environmental and health-monitoring orgs like the CDC must be dramatically restored and increased in regulatory power
The all-out attack on women's health must be defeated
Union-busting laws like right-to-work are a disaster, and Labor must be as free as Capital (it's a rigged game). Major priority
The courts must move left soon or we're going to have major problems for at least a generation
Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Israel must be brought to heel in their aggression, and we must cut military aid and sales to Israel and SA drastically
Wealth must be redistributed more equitably, which means serious changes toward progressive taxation. Major Priority

That's kind of my wheelhouse. I would think you'e basically in line with those major points. Where we seem to disagree is how to get that done in a flesh and blood world, though I would happily support your candidate even if I don't think his way is best.
If Bernie doesn’t get the nom then these things will only happen if you vote for Trump. This will teach yourself and all non believers a lesson and make Bernie president, eventually. Or Tulsi. You can also vote for my girl Tulsi.
 
I'm remembering you as the biggest Hillary supporter on this site accurately.

Well, there essentially were no Clinton supporters here, and probably half the group thought that she routinely had people murdered, that she wasn't going to live until the election, and/or that she should be arrested for not being careful enough with her email security. So me just saying the exact same things I'm saying in this thread may have made me a bigger supporter than almost anyone. Here's an example:

"As a practical matter, what difference does it even make? A Sanders presidency and a Clinton or O'Malley presidency would be almost the same. "

I made dozens of posts along those lines.
 
Relevant, and I don't mind going JVS fanboy when he's being smeared like this.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/120272075/

You can find lots of examples of JVS from the primary in 2016 seeing Clinton as a good candidate, but not glowing reviews. The fact that he notes her experience/qualifications and intelligence as being quite praiseworthy, yet didn't have her as his top pick in the small field until it narrowed to her vs. Sanders should probably speak for itself...or are we not interested in being honest?
 
That's because this site had a very anti Hillary slant.

Do you really think it's normal to support Bernie and at the same time pick Trump over Hillary?

It's funny how all the "you secretly love Hillary more than you're saying" posts get translated in the heads of morons like @HockeyBjj as "Jack was saying he loved Hillary."
 
Relevant, and I don't mind going JVS fanboy when he's being smeared like this.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/120272075/

You can find lots of examples of JVS from the primary in 2016 seeing Clinton as a good candidate, but not glowing reviews. The fact that he notes her experience/qualifications and intelligence as being quite praiseworthy, yet didn't have her as his top pick in the small field until it narrowed to her vs. Sanders should probably speak for itself...or are we not interested in being honest?

The most interesting take I have from that link is that JVS was such a big Hillary fan that he preferred Biden over Hillary in 2016 lol


He's the biggest Hillary supporter on the planet lol

@HockeyBjj

You owe this man an apology
 
The most interesting take I have from that link is that JVS was such a big Hillary fan that he preferred Biden over Hillary in 2016 lol


He's the biggest Hillary supporter on the planet lol

@HockeyBjj

You owe this man an apology

And I preferred O'Malley over both Clinton and Sanders throughout. I also said many many times that there wasn't a big gap between the candidates.
 
Looks like it's gonna come down to Biden, Bernie, Buttigeg, and Yang. If Yang drops out, most of his support goes to Bernie. If Buttigeg drops out, his support is probably split evenly so it won't change much.

Warren is toast.
 
Looks like it's gonna come down to Biden, Bernie, Buttigeg, and Yang. If Yang drops out, most of his support goes to Bernie. If Buttigeg drops out, his support is probably split evenly so it won't change much.

Warren is toast.
Warren as the fourth, not Yang. She is signficantly ahead of Buttigieg, whose campaign is depending on winning at least one of the first two states.

Bloomberg and Klobuchar are both ahead of Yang, and they're in the basement.
 
Well, there essentially were no Clinton supporters here, and probably half the group thought that she routinely had people murdered, that she wasn't going to live until the election, and/or that she should be arrested for not being careful enough with her email security. So me just saying the exact same things I'm saying in this thread may have made me a bigger supporter than almost anyone. Here's an example:

"As a practical matter, what difference does it even make? A Sanders presidency and a Clinton or O'Malley presidency would be almost the same. "

I made dozens of posts along those lines.
Well, in a field of "Hillary is literally a child-eating demon who had Seth Rich murdered and is going to start World War III (I never understood this last take tbh)", I guess saying "no" did make you a Hillary supporter.

Not that it's saying much.
 
What's the updates on people's second choices for dem noms? Wish that was updated with more frequency
 
Warren as the fourth, not Yang. She is signficantly ahead of Buttigieg, whose campaign is depending on winning at least one of the first two states.

Bloomberg and Klobuchar are both ahead of Yang, and they're in the basement.
Bloomberg and Steyer both woke up like yesterday and said "I'm running btw" and they're ahead of or tied with Yang.

I could still see Buttigieg or Warren gaining momentum and taking over somehow, but Yang? Dude's already planning for 2024.

Are you still hot for Pete? The av could be a tell but you could also just be too lazy to change it.
 
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