Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

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sickc0d3r said:
Why? Which blue states can Trump flip this time? You think he holds onto PA, which he absolutely needs in order to win (blue in every election since 2000 (Edit: Since '92) , won by less than 70k votes) against Biden? Or Bernie? I think it's an uphill climb for Trump, and reminding people in that state that apathy got them Trump is a decent strategy.
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PA actually wasn’t seen as the path for how he could’ve won 2016 so it isn’t a must have. It was just bonus by the time the race was over. Florida and Ohio were seen as the must haves. In 2020, it might just be Florida in that category since PA is now in play instead of thinking you need OH, MI, and WI all to edge one out.
 
Yorkist said:
That reminds me of what Fox News did to my boy Ron Paul in 2012.

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As a Ron Paul admirer, I might be biased, but I always thought that was Stewart's best segment. Excellent writing and delivery.
 
Jack V Savage said:
??? I'm saying that you confused the story about Clinton using her own account to do some State Department work with the hacking story. Her account wasn't hacked (though note that immediately after Trump publicly asked Russia to hack it, they did make attempts).
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The DNC network was breached . . . and she used a private server for information storage . . . two separate issues . . . however, her campaign network WAS breached . . .

Yeah, so you have one Op-Ed about it, vs it being far and away the most covered issue in the news pages in 2016. Obviously the extreme difference in attention shows that the alleged hysteria about information security in 2016 was not on the level.
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I clearly stated I'm not looking for it . . . and provided a link to the newest story I found . . . that's it man . . .
 
waiguoren said:
As a Ron Paul admirer, I might be biased, but I always thought that was Stewart's best segment. Excellent writing and delivery.
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He actually won in Iowa!!!!! But the isreal first establishment refused to allow his victory. It pays to own media. They outright lied. Stolen. Illegal.

Ron Paul would have taken that win, and been cemented as the FRONT RUNNER. That could not be allowed to happen.

Got robbed in Maine too. And that slippery little slut Ben Shapiro couldn’t have been happier.

It was active collusion by a media establishment to ice out an anti war candidate. You see it in Stewart’s segment, blatantly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-wins-iowa-caucuses-2012-6

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jaretg...party-stole-the-nomination-from-ron-paul/amp/

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/02/16/how-ron-paul-may-have-won-and-lost-maine/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/253005/
 
Lead said:
PA actually wasn’t seen as the path for how he could’ve won 2016 so it isn’t a must have. It was just bonus by the time the race was over. Florida and Ohio were seen as the must haves. In 2020, it might just be Florida in that category since PA is now in play instead of thinking you need OH, MI, and WI all to edge one out.
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Sorry, I always just mentally write off WI and MI (especially if Bernie is the nom), that's my bad. Including PA all 3 just elected or re-elected dem governors, and Bernie won MI and WI in 2016. If Trump doesn't get them again along with PA he'll lose unless he flips some other blue state.
 
Yorkist said:
Incumbents always have the advantage. An incumbent with a good economic record is basically a shoe in.

Attacking Trump on shit like Charlottesville hasn't worked for the last three years and the fact Biden thinks that's the way to go just shows how out of touch he is.

I think you vastly overestimate how much white working class voters care about these issues and vastly underestimste how much they care about jobs and the economy.
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I don't really underestimate any of that. I just know Biden and Bernie already play extremely well in those states. I'm guessing my girl Tulsi would too, but she has no chance to get the nomination.
 
spamking said:
The DNC network was breached . . . and she used a private server for information storage . . . two separate issues . . . however, her campaign network WAS breached . . .

I clearly stated I'm not looking for it . . . and provided a link to the newest story I found . . . that's it man . . .
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Her private address wasn't breached, and that's what we're talking about.

Yeah, the way we know about the far worse practices of the current administration are that they have gotten covered, but the coverage is nowhere near as extensive or hysterical as the coverage of Clinton's relatively minor breach of information-security protocols.

Trotsky said:
Yeah, they changed it as I said. It was originally what I said earlier.
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OK.
 
sickc0d3r said:
I don't really underestimate any of that. I just know Biden and Bernie already play extremely well in those states. I'm guessing my girl Tulsi would too, but she has no chance to get the nomination.
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I can't see why anyone in those states would vote for Gabbard, but then I can't see why anyone in any state would think she'd be an acceptable president.
 
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Jack V Savage said:
Her private address wasn't breached, and that's what we're talking about.
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Yeah, the way we know about the far worse practices of the current administration are that they have gotten covered, but the coverage is nowhere near as extensive or hysterical as the coverage of Clinton's relatively minor breach of information-security protocols.
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Alright . . . I guess that's that then . . .
 
Jack V Savage said:
I can't see why anyone in those states would vote for Gabbard, but then I can't see why anyone in any state would think she'd be an acceptable president.
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Maybe if she had some of Robert O'Rourke's musical skills she would be a better candidate, right?



@bobgeese Did you ever listen to this performance?
 
Jack V Savage said:
I can't see why anyone in those states would vote for Gabbard, but then I can't see why anyone in any state would think she'd be an acceptable president.
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You get how this is super condescending, right? And it's lazy to boot. People will think she's an acceptable presidential candidate for the same reasons as they'd think it about anyone: because they like what she brings to the table in terms of her policies and politics.

You carrying on like she's some illiterate lunatic who is on another planet intellectually or experientially than Beto O'Rourke is just bizarre and it comes off as very disingenuous. Her experience is equal to or greater than O'Rourke's and the two seem to be equally intelligent. Meanwhile, she has been much bolder in terms of policy advocacy, such as her belief that we should sever ties with Saudi Arabia and withdraw sanctions on Venezuela and possibly Iran, something that a lot of people from across the spectrum can get behind.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Or if she had some positives on her resume at all.
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We've gone over this before and I, like my Sanders- and Gabbard-supporting friend who discussed this with you, believe that her military service is a definite positive. She also served in the Hawai'i House, the Honolulu City Council, and the US House for multiple terms.

In light of the above, will you agree that your quoted statement above is incorrect?
 
Trotsky said:
You get how this is super condescending, right? And it's lazy to boot. People will think she's an acceptable presidential candidate for the same reasons as they'd think it about anyone: because they like what she brings to the table in terms of her policies and politics.

You carrying on like she's some illiterate lunatic who is on another planet intellectually or experientially than Beto O'Rourke is just bizarre and it comes off as very disingenuous. Her experience is equal to or greater than O'Rourke's and the two seem to be equally intelligent. Meanwhile, she has been much bolder in terms of policy advocacy, such as her belief that we should sever ties with Saudi Arabia and withdraw sanctions on Venezuela and possibly Iran, something that a lot of people from across the spectrum can get behind.
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I don't see the value in pretending that a ridiculously unqualified and incapable candidate is acceptable. That would feel condescending to me. I truly and strongly believe that she is on another planet intellectually than Beto.

I strongly suspect that she's being promoted as a candidate specifically to help Trump.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I don't see the value in pretending that a ridiculously unqualified and incapable candidate is acceptable. That would feel condescending to me. I truly and strongly believe that she is on another planet intellectually than Beto.

I strongly suspect that she's being promoted as a candidate specifically to help Trump.
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I'm not going to debate intelligence, so can you explain to me how she is "ridiculously unqualified" relative to Beto or Buttigieg?

Gabbard:
Hawaii House (2002-2003)
US Army Major (2003-2019)
Honolulu City Council (2011-2012)
US House of Reps (2013-2019)

Beto:
El Paso City Council (2005-2011)
Temporary Mayor of El Paso (2005-2006)
US House of Reps (2013-2019)

Buttigieg:
US Navy Lieutenant (2009-2017)
Mayor of South Bend (2012-2019)
 
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