Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

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bobgeese said:
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Obama armed radical jihadists and contributed to the genocide of half a million Syrians.

So, you're either racist, or a sub potato intelligence liberal.


FFS, Bill Clinton was easily better.
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I think this mess in the middle east wouldn't exist to begin with if that fratboy war criminal W Bush hadn't invaded Iraq for imaginary WMD's. But hey I guess it was worth it because he was the type of guy you would like to sit down and have a beer with.
 
BarryDillon said:
It is surprising to me somewhat. But, with so many candidates, it may be easier to stand out with consistently good performances. Everyone else is kind of blending together.
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I’m also not sure if he’s going above and beyond visiting Iowa cause that does seems to have a significant factor in that state. I can’t recall who it was (I think Cruz) but there was a GOP candidate that visited ever county or district in Iowa and it helped them massively polling wise.
 
Happy Man said:
Great news! This guy doesn’t play the divisive identitarian political game. Thank God for that.

Still like tulsi more. Also like yang and Bernie. Only four worthy of any respect from the Democrat party
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Well Bernie and Pete seem to have significant support in Iowa at the moment. I tend to think if the Biden/Bernie leads aren’t just name recognition, that Biden would be more likely to win Iowa and Bernie more likely to win NH. I don’t see how Bernie wins Iowa but maybe the state has shifted somewhat.
 
Trotsky said:
Yeah, it's not close. The nearest president that you could in good faith argue was better was Lyndon Johnson, and that was 50 years ago.
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Didn't he lead the US into Vietnam? Mostly based on a lie too, the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
I think Bill Clinton getting a BJ is pretty tame compared to that.
 
58miles said:
I think this mess in the middle east wouldn't exist to begin with if that fratboy war criminal W Bush hadn't invaded Iraq for imaginary WMD's. But hey I guess it was worth it because he was the type of guy you would like to sit down and have a beer with.
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No, I’d punch W in his sub rock IQ mouth.

Easily the worst president in most of our lifetimes.
 
bobgeese said:
No, I’d punch W in his sub rock IQ mouth.

Easily the worst president in most of our lifetimes.
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Did you vote for him? If so You are responsible for the horror he started in the Middle East.
 
58miles said:
Did you vote for him? If so You are responsible for the horror he started in the Middle East.
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I wasn’t able to vote in that election. Believe it or not, I was a lifelong democrat until the democrat party of the nineties died and turned into the cancer it has become today.

PS, the horrors in the ME have been going on for 1000 years. Read a damn history book.
 
Cuauhtemoc said:
Didn't he lead the US into Vietnam? Mostly based on a lie too, the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
I think Bill Clinton getting a BJ is pretty tame compared to that.
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Yeah, I would agree that Vietnam is worse than getting a BJ. But the criteria isn't "whose worst failure is worse." It's who was the better president. LBJ accomplished much more.

bobgeese said:
No, I’d punch W in his sub rock IQ mouth.

Easily the worst president in most of our lifetimes.
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GWB had the exact same policies as Trump has now....except, in handling the economy and domestic affairs, Trump is more GWB than GWB in every way: more reckless tax cuts, more inexplicable deficit spending, worse attacks on workers and union rights, more deregulation and corruption-enabling, way worse appointments of crooks, industrial lobbyists, and corporate hacks. And if Trump had GWB's popular support for intervention, he'd probably have already intervened in Iran and Venezuela.

To say GWB was the worst modern president but slobber all over Trump is the height of stupidity.
 
Trotsky said:
Yeah, I would agree that Vietnam is worse than getting a BJ. But the criteria isn't "whose worst failure is worse." It's who was the better president. LBJ accomplished much more.



GWB had the exact same policies as Trump has now....except, in handling the economy and domestic affairs, Trump is more GWB than GWB in every way: more reckless tax cuts, more inexplicable deficit spending, worse attacks on workers and union rights, more deregulation and corruption-enabling, way worse appointments of crooks, industrial lobbyists, and corporate hacks. And if Trump had GWB's popular support for intervention, he'd probably have already intervened in Iran and Venezuela.

To say GWB was the worst modern president but slobber all over Trump is the height of stupidity.
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Trotsky, compare and contrast Bush’s handing of Iraq, and Trumps handling of Isis.
 
Trotsky said:
Yeah, I would agree that Vietnam is worse than getting a BJ. But the criteria isn't "whose worst failure is worse." It's who was the better president. LBJ accomplished much more.



GWB had the exact same policies as Trump has now....except, in handling the economy and domestic affairs, Trump is more GWB than GWB in every way: more reckless tax cuts, more inexplicable deficit spending, worse attacks on workers and union rights, more deregulation and corruption-enabling, way worse appointments of crooks, industrial lobbyists, and corporate hacks. And if Trump had GWB's popular support for intervention, he'd probably have already intervened in Iran and Venezuela.

To say GWB was the worst modern president but slobber all over Trump is the height of stupidity.
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All during the 2016 presidential election I had people telling me over and over again that even if Trump won he would be govern as a moderate based on the simple fact that he was from NYC, instead he is the most right wing President in our lifetimes. Hell Mr.conservative himself Ronald Reagan was a moderate compared to Trump.
 
Lead said:
Are you talking about 2000?
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Yes I'm talking about 2000 where people thought it was more important to vote for the guy you would rather have a beer with than guy who was more qualified to be President.
 
58miles said:
All during the 2016 presidential election I had people telling me over and over again that even if Trump won he would be govern as a moderate based on the simple fact that he was from NYC, instead he is the most right wing President in our lifetimes. Hell Mr.conservative himself Ronald Reagan was a moderate compared to Trump.
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Not true. On the substance Reagan was just as awful as Trump. The main difference there is aesthetic. Ronald Reagan has a lovable personality while Trump acts like an asshole.

In 2016 compared to Cruz, Trump was the moderate. There are a handful of issues he isn't horrible on. They tend to be pretty minor issues and it really doesn't change much but things can be worse. The corporate media's love of manners also mobilizes the public against Trump in a way it never could be against a Cruz or a Jeb!
 
58miles said:
Yes I'm talking about 2000 where people thought it was more important to vote for the guy you would rather have a beer with than guy who was more qualified to be President.
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We can discuss the frivolous reasons people vote for who they do but the premise that voting for Bush in 2000 makes you responsible for the damages in the Middle East is silly. Bush was running on a hands off stance on foreign policy during that election. I could see a point your trying to make in 2004 possibly but still...
 
bobgeese said:
Trotsky, compare and contrast Bush’s handing of Iraq, and Trumps handling of Isis.
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Trump didn't handle ISIS. War was all but over long before he took the oath. There was nothing he could have done to fuck that up. Media seriously overhyped ISIS as a threat. Gave them something to talk about. The tide was turned against ISIS as early as 2015.
 
Lead said:
We can discuss the frivolous reasons people vote for who they do but the premise that voting for Bush in 2000 makes you responsible for the damages in the Middle East is silly. Bush was running on a hands off stance on foreign policy during that election. I could see a point your trying to make in 2004 possibly but still...
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The people who voted for Bush in 2000 own what he did, they might not want to hear it but it's absolutely true.
 
ferrisjso said:
Trump didn't handle ISIS. War was all but over long before he took the oath. There was nothing he could have done to fuck that up. Media seriously overhyped ISIS as a threat. Gave them something to talk about. The tide was turned against ISIS as early as 2015.
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You’re hopeless.

Search my post history for SFA and Al Nusra and educate yourself.
 
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