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2018 PotWR Round 2: The Debate/ Town Hall

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Would you say it's at least decent, polite behavior to refer to a trans person with the gender they would prefer?

If a woman named Sara wants me to call them Mike, I would do so. After that we kind of start getting into the mental illness aspect. Is it healthy for us to play into their false identity?

Would you deny that are two biological sexes, xx or xy? Now in our society we have assigned certain jobs and activities to be more masculine or more feminine. I can get behind tearing those Social norms down.
 
If a woman named Sara wants me to call them Mike, I would do so. After that we kind of start getting into the mental illness aspect. Is it healthy for us to play into their false identity?

Would you deny that are two biological sexes, xx or xy? Now in our society we have assigned certain jobs and activities to be more masculine or more feminine. I can get behind tearing those Social norms down.
Just trying to keep the question simple. There's a trans person, and that person wants to be referred to by a certain gender. That's all. A former "he" would like to go by "she." Isn't it just basic decency to go with it? At some point, insisting on calling them "he" is just being rude, on purpose. I'm not talking about chromosomes.
 
Would you say it's at least decent, polite behavior to refer to a trans person with the gender they would prefer?
I would but at the same time I’d snicker lol

Unless I got to know them. Then Id probably be fine with calling them whatever they preferred.

I don’t have an issue with Trannies. I have an issue with this whole “identity” thing. You are what you are. You may pretend to be something else and that’s fine, but your physical body and DNA make you what you are.

If we don’t have some sort of organized arrangement, it creates chaos.

You have boys who identify as girls and competing with them in sports. That’s ridiculous.

Sharing bathrooms or locker rooms is ridiculous. I would identify as a female every single day to get in there. How do we prove how someone identifies?

People will identify as animals to get out of paying taxes.

The possibilities are endless. There has to be a set identity when it comes to the law or rules.

If a guy wants to identify as a chick socially, fine...but when it comes to where he showers or competes athletically, he’s a man. No question.
 
I would but at the same time I’d snicker lol

Unless I got to know them. Then Id probably be fine with calling them whatever they preferred.

I don’t have an issue with Trannies. I have an issue with this whole “identity” thing. You are what you are. You may pretend to be something else and that’s fine, but your physical body and DNA make you what you are.

If we don’t have some sort of organized arrangement, it creates chaos.

You have boys who identify as girls and competing with them in sports. That’s ridiculous.

Sharing bathrooms or locker rooms is ridiculous. I would identify as a female every single day to get in there. How do we prove how someone identifies?

People will identify as animals to get out of paying taxes.

The possibilities are endless. There has to be a set identity when it comes to the law or rules.

If a guy wants to identify as a chick socially, fine...but when it comes to where he showers or competes athletically, he’s a man. No question.
If it was a really common thing I might see it that way. But it's not really causing chaos.

Yeah the sports is messed up, there's no way biological men should compete physically with biological women. We can figure out the locker room thing, that's always solvable.
 
Just trying to keep the question simple. There's a trans person, and that person wants to be referred to by a certain gender. That's all. A former "he" would like to go by "she." Isn't it just basic decency to go with it? At some point, insisting on calling them "he" is just being rude, on purpose. I'm not talking about chromosomes.

I think it would depend on context. There is obviously a line, if someone insists that you call them a dog, because that is how they identify is obviously suffering from mental illness. So I think if we can see that as a clear line, then referring to someone that you have known to be a man as him, even though they have now decided that they want to be known as xem, is not unreasonable. There most definitely should be no grounds for them to sue you over it.
 
If it was a really common thing I might see it that way. But it's not really causing chaos.

Not to encourage this topic going too far and derailing the thread, but it is a really common thing among youth that is in ways causing chaos. It's becoming its own path to popularity.

My wife is a middle school counselor. At two different schools now a significant part of her job has been dealing with all the "gender nonconforming" students and their special needs. It takes her time away from having as much availability for other issues such as bullying and more one on one time with depressed/anxiety students. Also, in her professional opinion, there's a much higher depression/suicidal thoughts rate among the trans students than in those who are curious but end up settling down in their actual gender (using this to control for pre existing reasons to go the trans route) but due to district/state rules she's not allowed to actively steer them away from a self destructive lifestyle that is being readily encouraged by media and entertainment.

To answer the question you proposed to Lowman, I do think it's a polite thing to refer to say a coworker by the name and gender they wish, I personally would and apologize the times I may slip up, but please don't mandate a person play along with a delusion as it's having an unhealthy affect among the at risk youth.
 
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Would you say it's at least decent, polite behavior to refer to a trans person with the gender they would prefer?

Here is what I don't get. What is this pretend world we live in, where we have conquered the concept of basic common decency in normal situations, to where we feel the need to move onto conquering human decency in abnormal situations?
 
Not to encourage this topic going too far and derailing the thread, but it is a really common thing among youth that is in ways causing chaos. It's becoming its own path to popularity.

My wife is a middle school counselor. At two different schools now a significant part of her job has been dealing with all the "gender nonconforming" students and their special needs. It takes her time away from having as much availability for other issues such as bullying and more one on one time with depressed/anxiety students. Also, in her professional opinion, there's a much higher depression/suicidal thoughts rate among the trans students than in those who are curious but end up settling down in their actual gender (using this to control for pre existing reasons to go the trans route) but due to district/state rules she's not allowed to actively steer them away from a self destructive lifestyle that is being readily encouraged by media and entertainment.

To answer the question you proposed to Lowman, I do think it's a polite thing to refer to say a coworker by the name and gender they wish, I personally would and apologize the times I may slip up, but please don't mandate a person play along with a delusion as it's having an unhealthy affect among the at risk youth.

Simple solution. When I talk to co-workers, it is about work. In the military, I had to call people sir, and sergeant. FYI, that wasn't their real name.

That was the rule of the work place.

If it is a rule of the workplace that I must call John, Esmerelda, I don't give a shit. I get paid to do shit I don't want to be doing.

I don't like being told to wear my safety glasses wither but I do it.

I wouldn't talk to someone socially that wore a fedora, I certainly have no interest in talking to someone that is a tranny, unless they are exceptional. I hey their are absolute geniuses that wear fedora's, and identify as another gender, that I would enjoy a intellectual conversation with, or they are hilarious, and would make me laugh, or they chose social services as a career, and spend time volunteering to help people.

My little brothers girl friend is a cow. She isn't funny. She is pretty bright, and works with rehabilitating abused children, and volunteers on the weekend.

I would enjoy my conversations with her because she is exceptional, not because she is fat or a women.

I refuse to celebrate someone's identity, I celebrate being exceptional.

I don't give a shit about your identity. In fact it bores me.
 
Btw the POTWR election certainly spills over and impacts private life. It was so in my case two years ago, I always wrote my speeches around midnight when my wife and kid were already sleeping. @Dr J got words from his wife over the WR if I understand correctly. Not sure about @Warlord Palis but I would estimate he lacked sleep at work during that time. Also sure @Hans Gruber spent way more time than he had planned in these threads.

So @luckyshot I feel your pain.

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I don’t remember hearing from the missus (though maybe the case); but it was definitely too time consuming.

@Hans Gruber got an earful, though.
 
Is there ever a thread in the War Room that doesn't turn into a discussion about trannies?
 
Is there ever a thread in the War Room that doesn't turn into a discussion about trannies?

This one made it 89 pages, so a new record I believe. But there's always, always regression to a stable state condition. And base condition for the war room is a tranny argument
 
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This one made it 87 pages, so a new record I believe. But there's always, always regression to a stable state condition. And base condition for the war room is a tranny argument
And I didn’t start this one
 
GNN Reports: Odds for candidates to advance to next round of voting

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@luckyshot - 88%
Although luckyshot currently holds a smaller share of the overall polled votes than Cubo de Sangre, his support is much more firmly grounded than the embattled front runner. While de Sangre has suffered considerable losses to right-wing rival JamesRussler, luckyshot has consolidated left and center-left support through his Sanity Party base.​

@Cubo de Sangre - 82.5%
Cubo de Sangre continues to lead in the polls and is very likely to advance to the next round of voting. However, his support has appeared increasingly vulnerable in the past two weeks. While ridding the field of rivals snakedafunky and Clippy will surely increase his vote share, his most pressing concern is our next candidate.​

@JamesRussler - 59.5%
Russler has become the talk of the town with his recent campaign ads, slogans, and videos. His recent appointment of Contradictator to his Vice President spot could help him increase his chances to advance to the next round of voting, but the VP's lack of appeal to anything but the far-right could also short-circuit his campaign from progressing further.​

@Hunter Simpson - 38%
Like Lowmanproblem, Simpson suffers from luckyshot's existence in this race and he will struggle to secure the necessary left and center-left votes to advance to the next round. However, if he does, he will immediately become a strong candidate to advance further, as he will likely benefit greatly as second option for voters of candidates like Lowmanproblems, Tobacco, and snakedafunky. Additionally, in the unlikely scenario that left-wing leader luckyshot fails to advance and Simpson succeeds, he could quickly become a better's favorite to take the election. Should both candidates advance, it could spell trouble for both of their tickets.​

@Clippy - 36%
Clippy is perhaps the oddest candidate in the race. He lacks a clear message, a well-known running mate, an established history on the sub-forum, or a clear place on the forum's political spectrum. However, he may have a place on the autism spectrum - and frankly, that's adorable. His rapport with posters across the political divide, his strong name recognition, and his palatable campaign strategy make him a surprisingly viable candidate to advance.​

@Lowmanproblems - 29.5%
Lowmanproblems has a high floor and a low-to-intermediate ceiling that depends almost entirely on how effective his recent move to the center and his choice of Vice President is with voters. While Lowmanproblems' current polling numbers are underwhelming, advanced analytics show that his ticket enjoys unique support as a second option to voters across the race, making his single-digit polling numbers somewhat deceiving. He will win a certain amount of anti-Trump voters and posters otherwise admiring of his aggressive and full-throated political style. Like Hunter SImpson, he will suffer from luckyshot's consolidation of the left and center-left vote. But without Hunter Simpson's favorability with Sanity Party members and without the friendly forum rapport of posters like Tobacco and Clippy, he may struggle to sufficiently pick up votes at the margins, except through the influence of his running mate. Time will only tell, but it could turn out that his trademark sizzle will be a millstone on his success and on the perceived sincerity of his centrist campaign.​

@Tobacco - 27%
After Clippy, Tobacco may be the second hardest result to predict. Loved by some and likely by nearly all, Tobacco is himself a strong candidate. However, he has ran a flawed campaign. In addition to failing to select a running mate, his campaign message has been inconsistent and at times incoherent. Although he is currently polling higher than Lowmanproblems, one has to think these campaign gaffes will come home to roost.
@snakedafunky - 19%
Had snakedafunky chosen to run a more traditional and rigorous campaign, he'd likely be in a strong position to proceed further. However, the wily veteran made the baffling choice to run a novelty campaign and then welsh almost entirely on his campaign responsibilities during the latter half of the round. While the "plus" analysis bumps up his chances and is reflected in his present odds, expecting more than a single-digit vote share seems unreasonably optimistic given his recent inactivity.
@Headkicktoleg - 17%
Headkicktoleg has ran an admirable campaign: enthusiastic, fearless, and hopeful. However, Cubo de Sangre's early locking up of center-right support, combined with JamesRussler's recent far-right blitzkrieg, has created an uphill battle that will be very difficult to overcome for the candidate. He still has a chance, though, owing to the continued complacency of de Sangre and the undeniable possibility of a late-game boner by JamesRussler. If he wants to advance, he'll need to work hard on election day.​

@Slick_36 - 5%
Well, this was disappointing. While slick_36 enjoys resilient support from a small portion of the electorate, he has done very little to parlay that foundation into a more viable campaign. He will receive some votes, but success is earned and he simply hasn't put in the legwork to give himself more than a hail mary's chance to advance to the next round.​

@leto1776 - <1%
Leto1776 recently withdrew his name from consideration. While this would seem to suggest he should be excluded from our analysis entirely, he could still rescind his withdrawal and give himself a one-in-a-million shot to advance. Here at GNN, we don't discount miracles - and leto1776 would certainly need one.​
 
Is there ever a thread in the War Room that doesn't turn into a discussion about trannies?
This one made it 89 pages, so a new record I believe. But there's always, always regression to a stable state condition. And base condition for the war room is a tranny argument
This thread made it 87 pages... then @Lowmanproblems invited @glenwo2 to the party... and off to the trannies we go!
 
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Not to encourage this topic going too far and derailing the thread, but it is a really common thing among youth that is in ways causing chaos. It's becoming its own path to popularity.

My wife is a middle school counselor. At two different schools now a significant part of her job has been dealing with all the "gender nonconforming" students and their special needs. It takes her time away from having as much availability for other issues such as bullying and more one on one time with depressed/anxiety students. Also, in her professional opinion, there's a much higher depression/suicidal thoughts rate among the trans students than in those who are curious but end up settling down in their actual gender (using this to control for pre existing reasons to go the trans route) but due to district/state rules she's not allowed to actively steer them away from a self destructive lifestyle that is being readily encouraged by media and entertainment.

To answer the question you proposed to Lowman, I do think it's a polite thing to refer to say a coworker by the name and gender they wish, I personally would and apologize the times I may slip up, but please don't mandate a person play along with a delusion as it's having an unhealthy affect among the at risk youth.
It's not being encouraged. Tolerance for it is being encouraged and therefore acceptance is being encouraged. But no one is encouraging people to convince themselves they're transgender, unless there's evidence I haven't seen floating around, and for which I encourage you to post a source if there is one.
 
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