Elections 2016 GOP/Democratic March 15th Primaries

[Ruprecht]

It seems like a lot of people see voting as being like joining someone's fan club, rather than a means to get policy you like. Bernie definitely doesn't see it that way, and he'll be supporting Clinton in the general.

HendoRuaGOAT said as much in another thread. It's not about ideology, policy ambition or a coherent position. It's not even about competence. His over riding deciding factor is change, and change originating from outside the political establishment.

 

[in the]

Oh, definitely.

I think Democrats are dancing their little jigs of schadenfreude joy over Donald Trump tearing the Republican party apart without realizing just how incredibly weak of a candidate that Hillary Clinton is against Trump.

Hillary Clinton is inherently unlikeable and untrustworthy. If Hillary Clinton told me that the Sun rises in the east, I'd have to go check for myself. She's running a surprisingly weak campaign for the nomination. Bernie Sanders wasn't supposed to be able to garner 40-45% of popular Democrat primary vote. Bernie Sanders isn't that far behind in terms of actual pledged delegates. Bernie Sanders is running against Hillary Clinton saying pretty much the same things Donald Trump is saying, only with less resources and less national media attention. He's also doing without the black and Hispanic vote, which are again, the votes that Donald Trump doesn't get anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a President Trump come this November. The Republicans and the Democrats are really fucking up - I see the Democratic error as even more serious than the Republicans. At least the Republicans got blind sided. The Democrats are watching this happen and think that it can't happen to them.

The Republicans have yet to make their error - if they screw Trump. Listening to these Republican insiders, they are doing everything they can to stop Trump. The only man on earth more orange than Trump and a complete crybaby, John Boehner, is trying to get male Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan to run third party. There's talk of screwing over Trump at a brokered convention.

There are Republican Super PACs against Trump, not for anyone in general, comparing Trump to Hitler.


And this is nothing new. They've tried all sorts of dirty tricks against Trump in the past. Remember this girl?

Well, she was a plant by the establishment Republicans, including Jeb Bush. Yeah, just think about that - a conservative woman acting like she's some pissed off third wave feminist not for any principles, but only to hurt Trump.

To which I say, war Trump. Don't let assholes like Rinse Prius stop you. Win, find assholes like that wherever they may be, line them up in the oval office, look at each one of them in the eyes, and say, "You're fired. GET 'EM OUTTA HERE!"

 

[in the]

If you are a Sanders supporter and Hillary wins the Democratic primary, here is why you should vote for Trump and not Hillary Clinton.

Let's start with the broad strokes. The establishment Neocons and Wall Street wing of the Republican party would rather have Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. These are the same people that lead the United States and indeed the world into the last two massive national and global disasters - the Iraq War and the Financial Crisis of 2009. This is one of those clear indications that more than a Democratic establishment or Republican establishment, there is a Washington DC establishment.

These are the same people that absolutely hate Bernie Sanders. At his core, Bernie Sanders stands against the pernicious influence of free trade, related issues of immigration, of corporatist owned DC establishment, of military adventurism. Like Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump is for the expansion of Social Security and Medicaid. In fact, Donald Trump has favored national single payer, much like Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump, like Bernie Sanders, prioritizes the improvement of the national infrastructure - using American labor - over wars like the Iraq War, a war that Hillary Clinton supported and one that has left the Middle East in shambles and much worse shape than when started. The terrorists now run their own country in what used to be Iraq.

Obviously, there are differences, but In pretty much every way that matters, Donald Trump is more similar to Bernie Sanders than Hillary Clinton.

Why shouldn't you vote for Donald Trump? Because he makes figurative speeches about a wall on the Mexican border, wall the he's going to make the Mexicans pay for? No one in his right mind thinks he's talking about the Mexicans pay for an actual, physical two thousand mile wall, one which got a few feet higher after ex Mexican Presidente Vicente Fox weighed in. But people understand that we should make illegal immigration harder. No one actually believes that Muslims will be banned from entering the country. That's just unconstitutional. But you understand the sentiment of making things harder - the Europeans are seeing what happens when you allow not just radical Islam, but large groups of conservative Muslims who don't share Western values to metastasize.

Great post. I used to think Trump was just a rich asshole but his charity work is severely underrated.



The left's agitprop against Trump has devolved into absolute retardedness, like this:
The most depressing thing about how Donald Trump orders his steak

Brady Campaign holds Trump Tower 'die-in' to protest callous candidate's 'I could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot people' remark


And it will eventually lead to a Trump supporter, or Trump himself, getting shot. Of course, they'll then turn around and blame Trump, not the fucker with the intent to kill. Then again, who knows, someone on the right could go full Rabin and try to take Trump out because of the right's own agitprop.

 

[ThinkGreen]

Lol @ Trump eating his steak well done. Surprised he doesn't put ketchup on it as well.

 

[in the]

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I will reiterate: His policies within the US and the economy/healthcare do not scare me about donald trump. His rhetoric and endorsement of racism and nativism do. His fans that follow him do. I always wondered growing up if hitler truly hated the jews, or if he just used them as his avenue to power. I always wondered how a significant portion of Germany would be evil enough to enforce Hitler's orders. Trump touches on both of those. Look how easy we are willing to dismiss his wall building and islam banning and torture, when it comes right from his mouth. I'm sure thats what people did with Hitler too. "Oh he's just scapegoating these people to gain power, nothing bad will actually happen". And then when I see the things people do and say at Trump rallies and the like, I can see how he could gain the support to enforce this he does.

That being said, I don't think Trump is the next coming of hitler, but the similarities are there, and the fact that he endorses what he does, makes him a no fly candidate regardless of his economic or healthcare message.

Yeah, it doesn't really matter if he "really" is that big of a racist. He's running fully on a campaign of bigotry and racism.

His constituents and his base are the hard-right so he HAS to follow through. Yeah, all presidents go back on their campaign promises once elected but no one does a complete 180. No one even does a 90-degree turn. If Trump follows through with "only" 80% of his campaign platform, the US is still in a world of shit.

And this includes economic policy. If people were correctly predicting that Bernie would have trouble convincing his fellow Democrats of his liberal policies, what in the fuck will Trump do with his Republicans?? Every single one is completely in the hands of big business!

 

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Patty Pat Buchanan continues to kick ass:


Suicide of GOP -- or its rebirth?

Posted By Patrick J. Buchanan On 03/17/2016

WASHINGTON – “If his poll numbers hold, Trump will be there six months from now when the Sweet 16 is cut to the Final Four, and he will likely be in the finals.”

My prediction, in July of 2015, looks pretty good right now.

Herewith, a second prediction. Republican wailing over his prospective nomination aside, Donald Trump could beat Hillary Clinton like a drum in November.

Indeed, only the fear that Trump can win explains the hysteria in this city. Here is the Washington Post of March 18: “As a moral question it is straightforward. The mission of any responsible Republican should be to block a Trump nomination and election.”

The Orwellian headline over that editorial: “To defend our democracy, the GOP must aim for a brokered convention.”

Beautiful. Defending democracy requires Republicans to cancel the democratic decision of the largest voter turnout of any primaries in American history. And this is now a moral imperative for Republicans.

Like the Third World leaders it lectures, the Post celebrates democracy – so long as the voters get it right.

Whatever one may think of the Donald, he has exposed not only how far out of touch our political elites are, but how insular is the audience that listens to our media elite.
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Read more
http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/suicide-of-gop-or-its-rebirth/

 

[VivaRevolution]

HendoRuaGOAT said as much in another thread. It's not about ideology, policy ambition or a coherent position. It's not even about competence. His over riding deciding factor is change, and change originating from outside the political establishment.

You missed the part where I say that voting based on the lies that come out of these people's mouths, and empty promises, is worth the Charmin extra soft I wipe my arse with.

What is a policy platform, or promise worth, when they have no legitimacy?

Obama ran on ending the war in Iraq, and lobbying reform. Where did that get me?

 

[DragRacer]

Nah, you're wrong.
And the reason he continues to rise in popularity and has a following that is pulling in more dems and independents to the R tickets than any canidate since Reagan is... Lots of people are done buying bullshit like the kind you're selling.

Case closed.

It's okay if you wanna keep thinking that he a racist because no like Islam terrorist, and he a bigot because he no like border jumper immigrant.... and Lord knows there will be no shortage of corporate media to keep beating that derp drum with you , but the facts are to the contrary , and the voters disagree.

Yeah, it doesn't really matter if he "really" is that big of a racist. He's running fully on a campaign of bigotry and racism.

His constituents and his base are the hard-right so he HAS to follow through. Yeah, all presidents go back on their campaign promises once elected but no one does a complete 180. No one even does a 90-degree turn. If Trump follows through with "only" 80% of his campaign platform, the US is still in a world of shit.

And this includes economic policy. If people were correctly predicting that Bernie would have trouble convincing his fellow Democrats of his liberal policies, what in the fuck will Trump do with his Republicans?? Every single one is completely in the hands of big business!

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Or I just don't buy your absurd characterization of Romney and Obama's foreign policy (or--lol--Clinton and Trump/Cruz's). On the other hand, Paul actually was the most extreme proponent of top-down class warfare running in 2012. So your trolling misses again.

Actually I'm right on target.
I can an acknowledge that Paul's economic plan could have been bad if it were fully implemented, while you refuse to acknowledge that thousands of innocent people actually died (up to a million if you count Hillary - weird that you would laugh at that...I guess calling you a sociopath was on the nose, too) due to the actions of your team. Your spin-trolling has failed again.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Actually I'm right on target.
I can an acknowledge that Paul's economic plan could have been bad if it were fully implemented, while you refuse to acknowledge that thousands of innocent people actually died (up to a million if you count Hillary - weird that you would laugh at that...I guess calling you a sociopath was on the nose, too) due to the actions of your team. Your spin-trolling has failed again.

This doesn't even make sense. Clinton killed a million people? My "team"? WTF? Your comments in general are just completely untied to any sense of reality.

 

[Ruprecht]

You missed the part where I say that voting based on the lies that come out of these people's mouths, and empty promises, is worth the Charmin extra soft I wipe my arse with.

What is a policy platform, or promise worth, when they have no legitimacy?

Obama ran on ending the war in Iraq, and lobbying reform. Where did that get me?

That would be covered by the, "change from outside the political establishment" part.
I think healthcare was the bigger issue in the 2008 election, but Obama's record of delivery on his promises isn't that bad.
Of course if you're mostly focused on anti-interventionism and action on climate change, Obama's done a lot worse.
The idea of "rolling the dice" on a vague, flip flopping Trump, considering what Trump's actually been saying, sounds a lot like, "establishment politics is so bad, it couldn't possibly change for the worse".
An incredibly foolish assumption.

 

[ucunc156]

You missed the part where I say that voting based on the lies that come out of these people's mouths, and empty promises, is worth the Charmin extra soft I wipe my arse with.

What is a policy platform, or promise worth, when they have no legitimacy?

Obama ran on ending the war in Iraq, and lobbying reform. Where did that get me?

Uhhhh so you want Trump to implement his whole platform? Or do you think he's lying about certain things just to pander to get votes and his rhetoric actually isn't dangerous? Because that makes him no different than Hillary, except lying and pandering via hate rather than acceptance.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

This doesn't even make sense. Clinton killed a million people? My "team"? WTF? Your comments in general are just completely untied to any sense of reality.

You're team = The Democrats.
A million people died in the Iraq War, something your candidate, Hillary Clinton, supported.
Thousands more were killed by your candidate Obama, all of those deaths supported by your candidate Hillary Clinton. My post was perfectly clear, but again, as a Democrat, your prime directive is to spin away from inconvenient truths.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You're team = The Democrats.
A million people died in the Iraq War, something your candidate, Hillary Clinton, supported.

Is it your opinion that the Iraq War would not have happened if not for Clinton?

I think we can say definitively that it would not have happened if not for Nader (you must really hate that guy, right? Or is your concern about the issue phony?), but Clinton? That's ridiculous.

Thousands more were killed by your candidate Obama, all of those deaths supported by your candidate Hillary Clinton. My post was perfectly clear, but again, as a Democrat, your prime directive is to spin away from inconvenient truths.

Nah, you just don't care about accuracy, honesty or basic decency. What do you think Obama could have done to get a better outcome? Oh, sorry, answering that question would require actual thought and knowledge. Don't want to strain you. Go back to repeating dumb propaganda and lying about people.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Ahhh, a Democrat Classic Spin; the ole' blame Ralph Nader who never voted for, adviced in, or expanded a war based on lies for the wars Hillary voted for and adviced on, and Obama expanded.

(For those watching at home, notice Jack has yet to acknowledge facts that shine a light on the Democrats actual horrorific polices).

 

[Jack V Savage]

Ahhh, a Democrat Classic Spin; the ole' blame Ralph Nader who never voted for, adviced in, or expanded a war based on lies for the wars Hillary voted for and adviced on, and Obama expanded.

(For those watching at home, notice Jack has yet to acknowledge facts that shine a light on the Democrats actual horrorific polices).

I see you ducked both of my questions to go with immature personal stuff.

Can't say I didn't see that coming.

True or false, the Iraq War would have happened regardless of what Clinton ever did? True or false, it wouldn't have happened if Nader didn't decide to put personal glory over the good of the country?

And what do you think Obama could have done to get better results in Iraq?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I see you ducked both of my questions to go with immature personal stuff.

Can't say I didn't see that coming.

True or false, the Iraq War would have happened regardless of what Clinton ever did? True or false, it wouldn't have happened if Nader didn't decide to put personal glory over the good of the country?

And what do you think Obama could have done to get better results in Iraq?

ankther classic spin: ducks accountability for 3 posts, then accuses opponent of ducking question from previous post.

Did Clinton vote for a war that killed a million innocent people?
Did Obama expand this war and kill thousands of innocent people?

 

[Execute]

HendoRuaGOAT said as much in another thread. It's not about ideology, policy ambition or a coherent position. It's not even about competence. His over riding deciding factor is change, and change originating from outside the political establishment.

What good is it to get away from establishment if the other candidate could set the country back fifty years? I dislike life politicians, but I'm not going to bury the country just to be petty.

 

[Ruprecht]

What good is it to get away from establishment if the other candidate could set the country back fifty years? I dislike life politicians, but I'm not going to bury the country just to be petty.

You'd have to ask one of these Trump supporters, especially the Sanders-Trump converts, why they are prepared to "roll the dice".
From over here (Oz) at least, there's no way I see things in the US being so bad I'd make that call.