Elections 2016 Democratic/GOP Super Tuesday Primary Thread

Who wins the most delegates in their party on Super Tuesday? (Pick one for each party)


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Well, they had a good run. Outlasted the Federalists and the Whigs combined.
Yeah, you know what, I had predicted this for years, when I was younger, based on the temperature of my generation, but as I grew older, and wiser, or so I thought, I dismissed the idea.

The Republican party, in its current form, is facing extinction. It hasn't evolved with the social temperature of the entire population, not just the young people, but them most acutely, yes, and the result is Trump. He is the worst face of this schism, but the schism is due. The ignorant Trump supporter/troll voiced it quite well.

They like many classical conservative values, but have veered left on social issues. They aren't devoutly religious. They are angry-- as are Democrats-- at the stranglehold of the "Establishment" and Washington's ruling class. It looks like we are approaching the next party cycle here in the USA. It was expected, then unexpected, and now unexpectedly here (way ahead of schedule).

Quite a tumble. This is an election season as seen from the inside of a laundromat dryer.
 
I'm pretty sure this guy is a troll, but when it comes to Trump supporters, it's literally too difficult for me to tell if they're trolling or just genuinely retarded (nod to Concrete for that phrase).
I wouldn't call myself retarded, but can you explain how the superdelegates don't pretty much lock in a clinton victory here? speakhandsforme makes it seem like they can switch back in bernies favor?
 
Yeah, you know what, I had predicted this for years, when I was younger, based on the temperature of my generation, but as I grew older, and wiser, or so I thought, I dismissed the idea.

The Republican party, in its current form, is facing extinction. It hasn't evolved with the social temperature of the entire population, not just the young people, but them most acutely, yes, and the result is Trump. He is the worst face of this schism, but the schism is due. The ignorant Trump supporter/troll voiced it quite well.

They like many classical conservative values, but have veered left on social issues. They are angry-- as are Democrats-- at the stranglehold of the "Establishment" and Washington's ruling class. It looks like we are approaching the next party cycle here in the USA. It was expected, then unexpected, and now unexpectedly here (way ahead of schedule).

Quite a tumble. This is an election season as seen from the inside of a laundromat dryer.
I can see it, though I think a general, unprecedented decline of the party system in favor of personality cults is our fate. Fame and fortune will matter more than a political career, especially as Congress continues its slide into irrelevance and the populace becomes even less informed and engaged. This is how republics die.
 
I'm pretty sure this guy is a troll, but when it comes to Trump supporters, it's literally too difficult for me to tell if they're trolling or just genuinely retarded (nod to Concrete for that phrase).

I'm not familiar with his work, but the coupling of interests in gay marriage and marijuana legalization with support for Christie, an opponent of the former and maybe the single most outspoken opponent of the latter, is fishy as all get out.
 
Wtf lol. I want the world to end if my guy don't win!

For my friend the end goal is for America to become some kind of hippy commune. To him, it doesn't matter if the "American corporatocracy/oligarchy" comes to an end peacefully through Sanders' at the helm of the country, or through a violent revolution following a few years of Trump driving the country into the ground, so long as we get there by end of the next four years.
 
I wouldn't call myself retarded, but can you explain how the superdelegates don't pretty much lock in a clinton victory here? speakhandsforme makes it seem like they can switch back in bernies favor?
I wasn't talking about you. Are you a Trump supporter? Dear God.

Look up. I was responding to his quote responding to the DynamicLoosener guy.

*Edit* Oh yeah, to answer your question...the Superdelegates can change their votes at any time, totally at their own discretion, at any point up to the convention. Speaks isn't implying that they will, or even that this is likely, but he's pointing out it is still possible: it is "literally" possible.
 
I wouldn't call myself retarded, but can you explain how the superdelegates don't pretty much lock in a clinton victory here? speakhandsforme makes it seem like they can switch back in bernies favor?

Yep, they can, as they are not committed. They, most often, are vulnerable to the whims of the popular vote. For instance, Obama was similarly down (not to the same extent of course, since he was an actual Democrat) in superdelegates in 2008 to Hillary before it became obvious he'd win the popular vote. Then, many switched. The party realizes awarding a nomination contrary to a popular vote in GE suicide.

This doesn't change the fact that having superdelegates of any sizable proportion of the total delegates is silly and potentially undemocratic.
 
Fox is reporting that Cruz is currently #1 in Alaska with 42% of the precincts reporting in.

Surprising, because conventional wisdom said it was going to be a win for Trump, because of Palin's endorcement.

Still, it's not a lock yet. 28 delegates up for grabs.
 
I wouldn't call myself retarded, but can you explain how the superdelegates don't pretty much lock in a clinton victory here? speakhandsforme makes it seem like they can switch back in bernies favor?

They can, this happened in 08. Clinton had a huge superdelegates lead, but because obama won the popular delegate vote by 120 delegates, some of them had to change their vote, or else the DNC would have been accused of King making. It is suicide for superdelegates to decide the election for the DNC.
 
For my friend the end goal is for America to become some kind of hippy commune. To him, it doesn't matter if the "American corporatocracy/oligarchy" comes to an end peacefully through Sanders' at the helm of the country, or through a violent revolution following a few years of Trump driving the country into the ground, so long as we get there by end of the next four years.
He shoulda ran for office too lol
 
I don't agree, as far as race goes it is a best a tie,

http://www.theroot.com/articles/pol...ry_clinton_who_s_better_for_black_voters.html

Just one point of view.

Also I said she was a clear liberal and her voting record is proof. Yes sanders is to the left of her. But calling her a republican light is not accurate. She was at the forefront of pushing nationalized healthcare as just one of many issues. She was wrong in the 90s about crime, as were many. That's not a dishonest about face (trade is imo).

She is certainly not using any dog whistle racism against whites to win votes. And being uniformed is not the same as Bernie has not been strong, like many on the hard left, at speaking to the racial aspect. He prefers to focus on class and inequality and his supporters expect blacks to just realize that they would be better off with more socialism.

His poor outreach and inability to make the case that harder left policies are what the black community needs is his fault. Especially when the policy differences are much less stark than what we are talking about on the R side, again where poor write are expected to vote for tax cuts for the top 1% at a time when the 50 year gini coefficient has skyrocketed.


I see your theroot article, and I raise you an npr article :D
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/01/468185698/understanding-the-clintons-popularity-with-black-voters
BTW, that root article misrepresents Sanders' support of the Crime Bill in pretty much the same way Hillary misrepresented Sanders' position on CFMA. He was very articulate arguing against all but the violence against woman act in any crime bill, because he had the judgement and foresight to see how it would specifically and negatively effect blacks.

Clinton has been wrong about a lot of big, important issues: Crime Bill, Immigration, SSM, Bankruptcy Reform, Iraq, Libya, Syria, NAFTA, TPP...
How many mulligans does one person get? And it is dishonest when she only just recently did that about face re: Crime Bill. Thats what I mean when people look at her 90+% liberal voting record, they take it at face value. If you dig deeper you see a pattern of betrayal of the left.

And what would you call her playing the race card and birther card in '08, if not using dog whistle racism?
Nobody has been as strong as Sanders has been this campaign when talking about racism (except Trump :/ ).

What issues are black voters wanting addressed that Sanders should be addressing?
"You can go down Sanders’s platform issue by issue and ask, “so how is this not a black issue?” How is a $15 minimum wage not a black issue. How is massive public works employment not a black issue. How is free public college higher education not a black issue. The criminal justice stuff and all the rest of it". - Adolph Reed
http://johnhalle.com/outragesandinterludes/?p=741

And if he's not addressing it, then neither is Clinton because she's just copying and pasting his entire platform.

I have a hard time conceding the voting disparity to "Bernie not getting his message across". I see it as a combination of 8+ years of DNC groundwork on behalf of Hillary Clinton + name recognition + uniformed voting. Of course there are other aspects, I'm sure a solid % of black voters like Clinton for the same reason @Quipling does, and that could explain her winning the demographic, but not by these margins. IMO.
 
Fox is reporting that Cruz is currently #1 in Alaska with 42% of the precincts reporting in.

Surprising, because conventional wisdom said it was going to be a win for Trump, because of Palin's endorcement.

Still, it's not a lock yet. 28 delegates up for grabs.

Update -

Cruz - 34.4%
Trump - 33%

150 votes seperate them.

Edit - 28 delegates, not 40.
 
Interesting bit of news:

The next GOP debate is Thursday, and it's on.........FOX

Will Trump skip again? Or will we get to see him face Megyn Kelly?
 
Interesting bit of news:

The next GOP debate is Thursday, and it's on.........FOX

Will Trump skip again? Or will we get to see him face Megyn Kelly?

The last one didn't work out for him, skipping out.

There hasn't been any word about him skipping it, and he'd pay dearly for it if he did.

Expect fireworks between him and Kelly. It'll be very entertaining to see what targeted questions she asks, and his reaction to them.
 
Interesting bit of news:

The next GOP debate is Thursday, and it's on.........FOX

Will Trump skip again? Or will we get to see him face Megyn Kelly?
He can't afford to skip, and i think he already said he was going. I think its going to be the most important debate going into the winner take all states of march 15th. Things could get really ugly
 
The last one didn't work out for him, skipping out.

There hasn't been any word about him skipping it, and he'd pay dearly for it if he did.

Expect fireworks between him and Kelly. It'll be very entertaining to see what targeted questions she asks, and his reaction to them.

These debates just keep getting better. Well, more entertaining. I'm almost willing to bet there will be shouting.
 
Why are they still doing GOP debates? Aside from ratings I mean.
 
Thursday nights debate has Jerry Springer potential. Rubio thinks he has closed ground since going at Trump. Rubio might have been promised future spots in the party by the establishment to attack Trump. Mix in a little Megan Kelly and Thursday has epic potential.
 
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