I’m so sick of you Pride kids always trying to make it seem like a knee surgery is the definitive end to a career just so you could find an excuse for your favorite fighter
Are you mad that Jones is better than Shogun is literally every aspect of MMA? And yes, including submissions.
Keep bein´sick, u clueless bum.
Poor clueless bum...
So Jones needs a decent knee bar to have a good submission game? Please. Watch his fights.
And that's why he's above Jones for sure. Fedor was no mw, but could have made 205 easily.
Look Bisping beat your boy and Shogun would, too. And in his prime before his 4 knee surgeries he would have beaten roid-free Jones.
How many times has Shogun been TKO’d? How many times has Jones even been dropped?
Take away Jones steroids and his left knee and lets see how well he does.
Are you saying that Shogun was as good as he was in Pride due to a certain... ingredient?
No. I'm saying Shogun suffered 4 knee injuries and that Jon Jones is a cheater who has been caught using PEDs.
There's also the fact that Shogun's "win streak" prior to fighting for the title in the UFC was against:
He looked like garbage in the Coleman fight too. Really slow and sluggish and gassed bad like he did against Griffin.There's also the fact that Shogun's "win streak" prior to fighting for the title in the UFC was against:
Coleman (45 years old, 3 year layoff)
Liddell (40 years old, 1-3 in last 4, and was coming off the Evans knockout)
True, but he showcased some good ground game though... Leglocks, kneebar, even an omoplata...
It's all relative though, as he "showcased" all of that against the aforementioned 45 year old Coleman, who was coming off a 3 year layoff.
There's also the fact that Shogun's "win streak" prior to fighting for the title in the UFC was against:
Coleman (45 years old, 3 year layoff)
Liddell (40 years old, 1-3 in last 4, and was coming off the Evans knockout)
