Uriah Hall seizure?

Judging by your post, I think by using the word healthy, you are using it as meaning "does not contribute negatively to your health." The actual definition is of the word is:

"indicative of, conducive to, or promoting good health."

Using the actual definition, there is nothing about cutting weight that is conducive to good health.

According to a 2013 Fightland interview with Dr. Michael Kelly, the cutting/replenishing process fighters go through before a match can cause cardiac arrest:

"[T]he electrolyte balance is normally very tightly regulated by your kidneys—your sodium, potassium, magnesium, and calcium are probably the most important--and you put a big strain on your kidneys trying to maintain not only the fluid balance but the electrolyte balances. And when you have an influx of water and calories after a weight cut in some people the body can't accommodate that as fast as would normally be required, so they end up with relative deficiencies, for example the ratio of sodium to potassium or sodium to calcium become off. And if they become abnormal enough, you could end up with cardiac arrest. All the cells in our body, especially in the electrical impulses, rely on a very delicate balance of sodium and potassium. The sodium/potassium pump propagates a nerve signal along the axon, or in the heart along the cardiac fibers that conduct electricity in the heart. So if those signals aren't propagating along the channel correctly, the heart can go into an irregular heartbeat or fatal heart rhythm and wind up in cardiac arrest."

https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/nzxj78/cutting-weight-cuts-a-young-life-short

So throwing off your electrolyte balance through the replenishing process (sodium to potassium or sodium to calcium ratios) is detrimental to your health and does NOT promote good health in any way whatsoever. In extreme cases, this leads to cardiac arrest. Sounds really healthy!

Even a relatively easy or "well managed cut" still puts a strain on your body.

"Weight-cutting is as fundamental a part of MMA as jiu-jitsu--part of the warrior's code of sacrifice, if you will--so it seemed like the right time to ask our fight doctor, Dr. Michael Kelly--a sports-medicine specialist, part-time ringside doctor, and the author of the book Fight Medicine--what's going on with the human body in the midst of that kind of extreme dehydration.]

Dr. Kelly: The issue here comes down to electrolyte balances. Most of the water we carry in our bodies is in our muscles. So when you start decreasing the fluid content in the muscles, that causes the efficiency of all the enzymes and the concentration of electrolytes and glucose and all the things that are necessary for normal muscle function—all those concentrations are off when you’re doing these massive fluxes in fluid. We know from studies that you’re not as strong and your endurance goes down markedly. You see a fighter who drops a lot of water weight very quickly they burn out very quick: First round, they’re done, they’re spent, they have no reserves.

That's why it's so important for these guys to be smart about the way they cut weight, not to do too much too fast. A smart weight cut is still hard on the body but won't have the same kind of negative effects"

A leading expert clearly specifies that "a smart weight cut is still hard on the body." Yeah really healthy bro!

For very obvious reasons, weight cutting is not healthy. In fact it is the opposite of healthy, using the actual definition of the word. Even with a more generous interpretation of your use of the word healthy, it doesn't meet the standard.

Take it easy on McGregor .gifs next time, kiddo.
Why'd you get so f*cking sarcastic at the end? I don't get it. You were presenting a nice case for your point of view & I was enjoying reading it... & then all of a sudden you went ape sh*t crazy & started talking smack or something. lol...

& I'll not take it easy on gif's this time, next time or any other time unless I so choose it. (just so you know)

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Anyway... back to the subject.

All right, I can agree that the use of the word "healthy" is not appropriate ... but my point is that it's possible to do a weight cut that isn't dangerous. That's all I was really saying. Your article speaks about the "strain on the body"... for a well managed weight cut... but it only speaks of it being dangerous if it's not well managed & you make mistakes in allowing things to get too unbalanced.

All the dangerous stuff is handled by Tyler Minton. he makes sure you're eating plenty of potassium or whatever you need that gets depleted or unbalanced. That's what people need to do. Either educate themselves... or hire someone who is educated to handle it for you.
 
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I see what you're getting at, and there's certainly "better/safer" ways of doing it, but even under the best of circumstances you are putting your body into very unhealthy circumstances. All of your electrolyte levels, salts, blood acidity levels are thrown out of balance, lots of extra stress on your immune system, tough on your organs, especially liver and kidneys. Doing it the best way minimizes the damage but it still isn't good.
Thank you... Yeah, I seem to be getting a lot of attention for my use of the word "Heathy"... but what I was more specifically saying is that there's a way to do it that is not dangerous. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes it puts a strain on the body... no doubt about that... & that kind of strain is not "healthy"... but there's ways to do it without ending up in the hospital. People just need to educate themselves better or hire someone who knows what they're doing.
 
If you can't make weight with the new system you're in the wrong weight class.
 
Let me explain to you in 6th grade level detail so that even you can understand.

More weight classes destroy combat sports, look at boxing if you need direct examples.


The only problem with weight cuts are guys who cut too much weight because they are in a weightclass that's too small for them. Because they don't have the courage/heart whatever to move up a weightclass where they can make weight SAFELY.

So what would we be doing by adding more weight classes which would destroy MMA? Catering to a select few guys who are irresponsible. You want that? Fine, not me.

Let them move up and accept the fact that they're journeymen(or hey maybe they will still be good? Shocker, I know) or retire.


Boxing's problem has always been redundant titles and redundant regional titles, not weight divisions.

Boxing has 11 weight classes from 125 lbs and above. That's 2 more than MMA's, which is more but not crazy more.

As for weights lower than 125lbs (126 in boxing), one of the reasons for so many belts created is because promoters overseas (Latin America, Africa, Asia) wanted them because they had competitors in those respective categories. Its a way to promote the sport globally. Boxing also isn't a league with a finite amount of fighters.

The weight classes cater to different markets. For example:
-Japan, Thailand, Latin America: BW to Minimumweight
-Mexico: FW to MW
-US, UK: LWW to HW
-Europe: MW to HW
-Central Asia: BW to MW

People don't watch all weight divisions, just the ones popular in their region or they're interested in.
 
This.

Too scared to fight guys closer to your size? Then either accept being a journeyman at your real weightclass up or retire from the sport.


Yep fighters can't use the weight advantage against guys their own size
 
Do we know for a fact that the seizure was due to the weight cut?
 
I'm not a fan of weight cutting and wish it would go away too. But let's be real here, how do you change it? Pretty much every suggestion I read is half baked at best

The only way I can figure is the UFC has someone going around taking their weight periodically. Obviously that leaves holes though, as new comers and short notices wouldn't allow that practice. On top of that, that isn't a fix for MMA that only works for the UFC who is in a unique position to control it's roster like that. It's a shitty problem with no good solution.
 
For fucks sake almost every good fight has been canceled.
 
As opposed to having seizures? He’s a decent height for the division, ads bulk and he’d do fine, he’d be much quicker than a lot of the 205ers.
No he isn't. Do you know many fighters? 6 ft is short for a LHT becuase most decent fighters cut at least 20 pounds. With 15 to 20 pound increments you have to cut more weight to not fight guys that are naturally 10-15 pounds bigger than you.
 
No he isn't. Do you know many fighters? 6 ft is short for a LHT becuase most decent fighters cut at least 20 pounds. With 15 to 20 pound increments you have to cut more weight to not fight guys that are naturally 10-15 pounds bigger than you.

1 stone and a bit isn’t a huge amount of extra weight, look at the success of other guys moving up, he’d gain speed and stamina over the guys he’d be fighting. It’s his life he is fucking with, not mine, move up and be healthy or kill yoursefl at a lower weight?
 
That thread about adding more division just got serious....Might be something to think about.
Or how bout just fight at your natural weight?

Kelvin Gastelum, RDA and several others have proven that being a few lbs lighter than your opponent doesn’t have to be a disadvantage.
 
No he isn't. Do you know many fighters? 6 ft is short for a LHT becuase most decent fighters cut at least 20 pounds. With 15 to 20 pound increments you have to cut more weight to not fight guys that are naturally 10-15 pounds bigger than you.

Volkan is 6 foot, DC is 5’10, Glover is 6’2, Manuwa is 6 foot, those are a couple of the guys in the top 5, he isn’t undersized, if he didn’t cut and gained a bit of mass he’d be perfect for the weight.

Edit : upon research the average height is 6’1, he’d be just fine.
 
Could be way off based here but are seizures serious? The treatment for one is valium. Always thought they didn't do any damage.
 
"Someone's gonna have to die before they do anything about this extreme weight-cutting"

Why is it always "them" that have to do something?

This, It is 100% on the fighters who are choosing to cut the weight.
 
Boxing's problem has always been redundant titles and redundant regional titles, not weight divisions.

Boxing has 11 weight classes from 125 lbs and above. That's 2 more than MMA's, which is more but not crazy more.

As for weights lower than 125lbs (126 in boxing), one of the reasons for so many belts created is because promoters overseas (Latin America, Africa, Asia) wanted them because they had competitors in those respective categories. Its a way to promote the sport globally. Boxing also isn't a league with a finite amount of fighters.

The weight classes cater to different markets. For example:
-Japan, Thailand, Latin America: BW to Minimumweight
-Mexico: FW to MW
-US, UK: LWW to HW
-Europe: MW to HW
-Central Asia: BW to MW

People don't watch all weight divisions, just the ones popular in their region or they're interested in.
i would say boxings problem is that its incredibly boring and corrupt. the millions of belts that mean nothing do not help.
 
Agreed.

Physical harm or injury from extreme weight-cutting IS the deterrent for extreme weight-cutting.

No regulation does a better job than that.
“It shouldn’t be up to the NFL to REQUIRE that players wear pads. If they want to not wear them and go out there and kill each other that’s their own problem.” See how stupid that sounds?
 
“It shouldn’t be up to the NFL to REQUIRE that players wear pads. If they want to not wear them and go out there and kill each other that’s their own problem.” See how stupid that sounds?

Helmets and pads are why the NFL has far more concussions and brain injuries than Rugby.


It sounds nice when you say it, but the facts are otherwise. Looks can be deceiving. Same way how people thought MMA was dangerous because it "looked" brutal but is far safer than boxing.
 
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