Uriah Hall seizure?

gotBooched said:
@HomerThompson is here ladies and gentlemen!
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MarkHematominick said:
I remember when Wanderlei fought Brian Stann, they were both middleweights, but they decided to fight at 205 because neither one of them wanted to do any weight cutting nonsense.
Would be cool to see that happen more often. I believe Stann said they both had a Gentleman's agreement to say fuck cutting weight, we're just gonna go to Japan heavy and slug it out.
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That only worked for them because neither of them were contenders and at the tail end of their careers.
 
HomerThompson said:
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That’s a whole lot of people not defending, asking for super fights and also interim titles eventually, people should fight at a weight class that suits the body not try and get every single advantage possible by cutting weight.
 
SpiderCrawl said:
That’s a whole lot of people not defending, asking for super fights and also interim titles eventually, people should fight at a weight class that suits the body not try and get every single advantage possible by cutting weight.
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It only adds 2 weight classes. It's perfect. Keeps the gaps reasonable, lets guys be in more comfortable classes without saturating the sport like boxing.
 
paynebringer said:
I could be wrong on this call I get forgetful @times but aren't you one of them TJ Dillashaw flag wavers wanting him to go down to FLW to give MM a what for..? Again if I'm wrong apologies but it seems a little Trumpish to say this ^^^ and support killing himself to fight a smaller guy than go 145.

The TS does have a point ^^^ but you don't need multiple weight additions just 1, 2, for me between MW & LHW and LHW to HW give the bigger boyz more land to roam rest of the weight class just need to stay fit & legal...
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I'm one of those TJ flag wavers Payne, but you lost me at the part I highlighted? Are you saying I should support him going up? If so here's my take. TJ & DJ are much closer in size, TJ is not a big BW him going up and fighting huge FW's like Aldo & Holloway (while I'd love to see the fights) probably doesn't go well for TJ. Now MM is P4P #1 and TJ has to be in the top 5 discussion, this is a realistic fight to make because they are so close in size, and why would you not want to try and knock off P4P#1? Just look what doing this did for Rungvisai when he knocked off P4P#1 (for years) Chocolatito Gonzalez, it made him a name overnight, rematched him and stopped him decisively early and now he's the man everyone wants to fight. Not to mention TJ is not trying to drag MM up to him (like Floyd would do) or down to him (like Ward would do) he's willing to go meet MM at DJ's best weight. I'm sorry brother but this is the fight to make if DJ wants his money fight.
 
Myrddin Wild said:
You're actually making my point for me. Khabib's "LAST" weight cut was with Tyler Minton... & it went great. He is also DC & Max's nutritionist. Khabib failed prior to that because he didn't have that professional helping him to do it correctly. Tyler wasn't around when DC was in the olympics. I gotta think you didn't understand what I was saying for you to come back with this... because my point is that you need to do it properly with a proper professional.

I'm saying that if you do it correctly, then you can make it happen. Hiring Tyler Minton is obviously working. He's not missed a single healthy weight cut. If you're just out there winging it & hoping for the best then you're f*cked & you end up like Khabib vs. Ferg last year or Uriah Hall this year... or DC in the olympics (if your reference on that is accurate.)


<FookIsThatGuy>

Honestly.... talk some sense or GTFO. Then we can discuss something. Throwing a a silly generality ain't telling nobody anything. Obviously, there are healthy ways to cut weight. People do it all the time. Then you got others who don't know wtf they're doing & they end up in the hospital.
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Judging by your post, I think by using the word healthy, you are using it as meaning "does not contribute negatively to your health." The actual definition is of the word is:

"indicative of, conducive to, or promoting good health."

Using the actual definition, there is nothing about cutting weight that is conducive to good health.

According to a 2013 Fightland interview with Dr. Michael Kelly, the cutting/replenishing process fighters go through before a match can cause cardiac arrest:

"[T]he electrolyte balance is normally very tightly regulated by your kidneys—your sodium, potassium, magnesium, and calcium are probably the most important--and you put a big strain on your kidneys trying to maintain not only the fluid balance but the electrolyte balances. And when you have an influx of water and calories after a weight cut in some people the body can't accommodate that as fast as would normally be required, so they end up with relative deficiencies, for example the ratio of sodium to potassium or sodium to calcium become off. And if they become abnormal enough, you could end up with cardiac arrest. All the cells in our body, especially in the electrical impulses, rely on a very delicate balance of sodium and potassium. The sodium/potassium pump propagates a nerve signal along the axon, or in the heart along the cardiac fibers that conduct electricity in the heart. So if those signals aren't propagating along the channel correctly, the heart can go into an irregular heartbeat or fatal heart rhythm and wind up in cardiac arrest."

https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/nzxj78/cutting-weight-cuts-a-young-life-short

So throwing off your electrolyte balance through the replenishing process (sodium to potassium or sodium to calcium ratios) is detrimental to your health and does NOT promote good health in any way whatsoever. In extreme cases, this leads to cardiac arrest. Sounds really healthy!

Even a relatively easy or "well managed cut" still puts a strain on your body.

"Weight-cutting is as fundamental a part of MMA as jiu-jitsu--part of the warrior's code of sacrifice, if you will--so it seemed like the right time to ask our fight doctor, Dr. Michael Kelly--a sports-medicine specialist, part-time ringside doctor, and the author of the book Fight Medicine--what's going on with the human body in the midst of that kind of extreme dehydration.]

Dr. Kelly: The issue here comes down to electrolyte balances. Most of the water we carry in our bodies is in our muscles. So when you start decreasing the fluid content in the muscles, that causes the efficiency of all the enzymes and the concentration of electrolytes and glucose and all the things that are necessary for normal muscle function—all those concentrations are off when you’re doing these massive fluxes in fluid. We know from studies that you’re not as strong and your endurance goes down markedly. You see a fighter who drops a lot of water weight very quickly they burn out very quick: First round, they’re done, they’re spent, they have no reserves.

That's why it's so important for these guys to be smart about the way they cut weight, not to do too much too fast. A smart weight cut is still hard on the body but won't have the same kind of negative effects"

A leading expert clearly specifies that "a smart weight cut is still hard on the body." Yeah really healthy bro!

For very obvious reasons, weight cutting is not healthy. In fact it is the opposite of healthy, using the actual definition of the word. Even with a more generous interpretation of your use of the word healthy, it doesn't meet the standard.

Take it easy on McGregor .gifs next time, kiddo.
 
rorschach51 said:
I'm one of those TJ flag wavers Payne, but you lost me at the part I highlighted? Are you saying I should support him going up? If so here's my take. TJ & DJ are much closer in size, TJ is not a big BW him going up and fighting huge FW's like Aldo & Holloway (while I'd love to see the fights) probably doesn't go well for TJ. Now MM is P4P #1 and TJ has to be in the top 5 discussion, this is a realistic fight to make because they are so close in size, and why would you not want to try and knock off P4P#1? Just look what doing this did for Rungvisai when he knocked off P4P#1 (for years) Chocolatito Gonzalez, it made him a name overnight, rematched him and stopped him decisively early and now he's the man everyone wants to fight. Not to mention TJ is not trying to drag MM up to him (like Floyd would do) or down to him (like Ward would do) he's willing to go meet MM at DJ's best weight. I'm sorry brother but this is the fight to make if DJ wants his money fight.
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<mma4> Points made, and I really don't disagree with any of this I was stressing the quote on his hard stance of a fighter killing himself to go down in weight.

I was never against a DJ/TJ stand off just didn't like how they (Dana & TJ) tried to make the fight with DJ as little a go along. I would've gave them the Jon Jones middle finger to the eye too
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but it's a fight I would love to see I got MM 24/7 his weight class and comfort zone...
 
HomerThompson said:
It only adds 2 weight classes. It's perfect. Keeps the gaps reasonable, lets guys be in more comfortable classes without saturating the sport like boxing.
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More weight classes would have heavier guys cut down more, people need to fight at a natural weight, it’s pretty simple.
 
paynebringer said:
<mma4> Points made, and I really don't disagree with any of this I was stressing the quote on his hard stance of a fighter killing himself to go down in weight.

I was never against a DJ/TJ stand off just didn't like how they (Dana & TJ) tried to make the fight with DJ as little a go along. I would've gave them the Jon Jones middle finger to the eye too
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but it's a fight I would love to see I got MM 24/7 his weight class and comfort zone...
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Oh I would be rooting for TJ, but I don't see how MM would not be the clear favorite his house, gotta beat his game to play yours. But I still want to see these guys go at it. If DJ walks away like he does all his other fights (like a boss) then it can't be denied he's the greatest fighter today. FLW Champ knocks off BW Champ for best payday & shits n giggles that's history.
 
St0neHand5 said:
That would just tempt fighters like Masvidal, RDA, and Whitaker to cut more weight and HW's like Cain and Dos Santos to start cutting weight.
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Not to mention those same guys you mentioned would be more likely to cut/gain weight and hop around divisions collecting gold and holdong up multiple titles, for instance a lighter HW who collects gold could easily cut down to the lower class and take a second belt, or a john jones could move up to the 216 class and take the belt without worry of a brock or overeem type.

Yeesh
 
rorschach51 said:
Oh I would be rooting for TJ, but I don't see how MM would not be the clear favorite his house, gotta beat his game to play yours. But I still want to see these guys go at it. If DJ walks away like he does all his other fights (like a boss) then it can't be denied he's the greatest fighter today. FLW Champ knocks off BW Champ for best payday & shits n giggles that's history.
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With this ^^^ I do agree...
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Myrddin Wild said:
You're actually making my point for me. Khabib's "LAST" weight cut was with Tyler Minton... & it went great. He is also DC & Max's nutritionist. Khabib failed prior to that because he didn't have that professional helping him to do it correctly. Tyler wasn't around when DC was in the olympics. I gotta think you didn't understand what I was saying for you to come back with this... because my point is that you need to do it properly with a proper professional.

I'm saying that if you do it correctly, then you can make it happen. Hiring Tyler Minton is obviously working. He's not missed a single healthy weight cut. If you're just out there winging it & hoping for the best then you're f*cked & you end up like Khabib vs. Ferg last year or Uriah Hall this year... or DC in the olympics (if your reference on that is accurate.)


<FookIsThatGuy>

Honestly.... talk some sense or GTFO. Then we can discuss something. Throwing a a silly generality ain't telling nobody anything. Obviously, there are healthy ways to cut weight. People do it all the time. Then you got others who don't know wtf they're doing & they end up in the hospital.
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I see what you're getting at, and there's certainly "better/safer" ways of doing it, but even under the best of circumstances you are putting your body into very unhealthy circumstances. All of your electrolyte levels, salts, blood acidity levels are thrown out of balance, lots of extra stress on your immune system, tough on your organs, especially liver and kidneys. Doing it the best way minimizes the damage but it still isn't good.
 
Hopefully he has a good recovery and maybe no permanent damage.
 
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