UN draft resolution on Syria attack: Vote fails with Russia veto, China abstains

[Cuauhtemoc]

Funny, even pro-Putin Russian army veterans/military experts says other things. They say that Ukranian army, Russian army, armies of Baltic countries - it's all the same. Commanders, generals, experts - it's the people who served in Soviet army, graduated from Soviet military academies, they fought together in Afghanistan. They say that Ukranian army is not worse than our (Russian) army - it's the same army, which uses same tricks and tactics.

The russian military has proven to be quite adaptable. From WW2 up to Syria. Compare how badly they did in Afghanistan and Chechnya 1 vs Chechnya 2 and now Syria. Look how quickly they destroyed Georgia, how quickly they took Crimea. It's like comparing 1940-1942 Soviet Red Army to 1945 Soviet Red army.

I'm not saying they are as good as NATO troops but they are getting much better at modern warfare.

 

[whougonnacall]

"Russian aggression" is just a lie perpetrated by neocons to justify their aggressive approach towards Russia.

It's quite obvious who's the aggressive one here.

One of the conditions of unification of Germany was USA/NATO not expanding further east. Americans of course didn't honour their part of the agreement n jump on 1st opportunity to expand NATO eastward n provoke Russia.

Sigh again these countries WANT to join..they are asking!
If russia left them alone they wouldnt need protection

 

[whougonnacall]

Not at all. I'm suggesting western media isn't as reliable n truthful as you seem to believe.

Western media is literaly hundreds of privately owned sources in an enviroment of freedom of speech......very different to russia which at best is 'dictatorship lite'

 

[whougonnacall]

The point is the country was flooded by Sunni radicals funded n aided by USA n gulf state.

They weren't there to turn Syria into a western democracy. They would turn it into a real hellhole.

Now you can pretend all you want that Syria was hellhole to begin with. The reality is it was much better place than many countries in the region (some even USA allies) n is still better than rebel alternative. That's why most minorities in Syria support Assad

The most radical were relased by assad 3-4 months into the rebellion for his own designs

Even today 2 of the 3 big loose blocs are pro or unopposed to a democracy (anhar and fsa) .....literaly 0 pro democracy forces on assads side!
Half of whom are now foriegn fanatic shia militas now too.
Among rebels by contrast u had places like daryaa....cut off from.any radicals from rebllions start bybsiege and held elections every 6 months..no wonder assad commited his elite rep guard to try and break such a small enclave

Pretend all you want grimballer but only sa was ranked higher than pre war syria for levels of opression and brutaltiy by most human rights groups

 

[grimballer]

Sigh again these countries WANT to join..they are asking!
If russia left them alone they wouldnt need protection

That's your fake neocon narrative.

Was Russia invading Montenegro before they joined NATO?

It's a political move.

For USA means even more countries under their control n for those smaller nations it means they don't have to worry about military sending (most don't meet their share).

It's a win/win, however for Russia it's a bad deal since NATO at its inception was anti soviet (now anti Russian) n they were told NATO won't expand further east (another lie by Americans n their vassal states)

 

[grimballer]

Western media is literaly hundreds of privately owned sources in an enviroment of freedom of speech......very different to russia which at best is 'dictatorship lite'

But we've seen how big majority is controlled by 6 main ones. N last year elections proved how bias n untrustworthy they truly are. They clearly have an agent n try to push it n promote it.

Rt in English does a good job of exposing bias of western media.

Nobody is saying russian media is flawless, but you seem to pretend that westerners media is

 

[Unsurprised Diaz]

It's all window dressing

 

[grimballer]

The most radical were relased by assad 3-4 months into the rebellion for his own designs

Even today 2 of the 3 big loose blocs are pro or unopposed to a democracy (anhar and fsa) .....literaly 0 pro democracy forces on assads side!
Half of whom are now foriegn fanatic shia militas now too.
Among rebels by contrast u had places like daryaa....cut off from.any radicals from rebllions start bybsiege and held elections every 6 months..no wonder assad commited his elite rep guard to try and break such a small enclave

Pretend all you want grimballer but only sa was ranked higher than pre war syria for levels of opression and brutaltiy by most human rights groups

Funny how there's no urgency to have a regime change in sa...

You would think that would be the 1st place these "freedom promoting" neocons would target.

Also if by "wanting democracy" you mean wanting an Islamic republic where Sunni majority will oppress other minorities than sure rebels are all about that democracy.

The fact that most minorities support Assad over those rebels should tell you all you need to know.

Assad is no saint, but much better option than these "democratic" rebels

 

[whougonnacall]

That's your fake neocon narrative.

Was Russia invading Montenegro before they joined NATO?
It's a political move.
For USA means even more countries under their control n for those smaller nations it means they don't have to worry about military sending (most don't meet their share).

It's a win/win, however for Russia it's a bad deal since NATO at its inception was anti soviet (now anti Russian) n they were told NATO won't expand further east (another lie by Americans n their vassal states)

Under their control? Lol its a form.of protection from the neighbourhood bully ie russia

 

[whougonnacall]

But we've seen how big majority is controlled by 6 main ones. N last year elections proved how bias n untrustworthy they truly are. They clearly have an agent n try to push it n promote it.

Rt in English does a good job of exposing bias of western media.

Nobody is saying russian media is flawless, but you seem to pretend that westerners media is

6 main ones in u.s ,dozens of different owners in uk , same in france ,germany etc etc
All in an enviroment of a free press ....
Widely different to russia where a few corrupt oilgarchs own everything worth owning and they couldnt criticise the thieving putin regime if they wanted to

 

[whougonnacall]

Funny how there's no urgency to have a regime change in sa...

You would think that would be the 1st place these "freedom promoting" neocons would target.

Also if by "wanting democracy" you mean wanting an Islamic republic where Sunni majority will oppress other minorities than sure rebels are all about that democracy.

The fact that most minorities support Assad over those rebels should tell you all you need to know.

Assad is no saint, but much better option than these "democratic" rebels

If there was an uprising in sa id be pro it ....so strawman killed ivan !

Again 2 outta the 3 main groupings have openly declared they are pro democracy and pro minority rights

As for minoritie communities support for assad most are actualy neutral(kurd druze) or at best slight in favour(christian) and some firmly anti assad(turkmen......the ones russia tried to exterminate ) ...bear in mind part of any communities decision is that the consequences for rebellion is total war waged against civillians

Assad is pure evil and at this stage any attempt to keep him in power relies on massive amounts of fanatic foriegn militas who are equally dangerous to minorites as the worst elements of nursra.

 

[grimballer]

Under their control? Lol its a form.of protection from the neighbourhood bully ie russia

What? Who did Russia attack exactly?

If anything it was USA/NATO flexing its muscle n attacked non member state in the 90s.

Those countries quickly realized it's better to be part of NATO than their target

 

[MicroBrew]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...te-fails-with-russia-veto-china-abstains.html

""Russia once again has chosen to side with Assad, even as the rest of the world, overwhelmingly comes together to condemn this murderous regime"

Russia is in on it from the beginning as previously speculated. What should Daddy Trump do with Russia?

The irony of that statement since the US sides with Israel all the time while the rest of the world doesn't. The only exception was the abstention by Obama towards the end of his presidency.

 

[grimballer]

6 main ones in u.s ,dozens of different owners in uk , same in france ,germany etc etc
All in an enviroment of a free press ....
Widely different to russia where a few corrupt oilgarchs own everything worth owning and they couldnt criticise the thieving putin regime if they wanted to

N by free you of course mean promote a certain pro liberal/pro western narrative.

You're naive to think western journalist have freedom to report whatever they want. They have protocols to follow.

Just look at CNN/MSNBC vs Fox News. One is more liberal, while the other is more conservative. You seriously think pro liberal journalist will last long in Fox News? What about conservative journalist in CNN/MSNBC?

Now what those 2 have in common is they're both pro western (in their own way) n anti Russian. So you seriously think pro Russian journalist would last at either network?

So once again these media networks don't report the news, they interpret the news for viewers n shape their believes.

 

[grimballer]

If there was an uprising in sa id be pro it ....so strawman killed ivan !

Again 2 outta the 3 main groupings have openly declared they are pro democracy and pro minority rights

As for minoritie communities support for assad most are actualy neutral(kurd druze) or at best slight in favour(christian) and some firmly anti assad(turkmen......the ones russia tried to exterminate ) ...bear in mind part of any communities decision is that the consequences for rebellion is total war waged against civillians

Assad is pure evil and at this stage any attempt to keep him in power relies on massive amounts of fanatic foriegn militas who are equally dangerous to minorites as the worst elements of nursra.

Says the strawman king himself...

Is john McCain going to sa to meet with rebels who want to topple the regime? Is he going on tv n telling everybody how brutal n oppressive the Saudi dictatorship is n how king salman has to be removed? Are those rebels being armed by USA?

N honestly who the hell cares what knife wielding, "Allah Akbar" screaming radicals think or say? Any rational person knows they can't be trusted.

You can pretend all you want that Assad is "evil" n Shia militia is "as bad" as your Sunni radicals. That's simply not true n many minorities siding with Assad over "democracy loving" rebels is proof of that

 

[whougonnacall]

Says the strawman king himself...

Is john McCain going to sa to meet with rebels who want to topple the regime? Is he going on tv n telling everybody how brutal n oppressive the Saudi dictatorship is n how king salman has to be removed? Are those rebels being armed by USA?

N honestly who the hell cares what knife wielding, "Allah Akbar" screaming radicals think or say? Any rational person knows they can't be trusted.

You can pretend all you want that Assad is "evil" n Shia militia is "as bad" as your Sunni radicals. That's simply not true n many minorities siding with Assad over "democracy loving" rebels is proof of that

Lol weak comeback

Is there a rebellion in sa right now? No
Ok


Its the middle east dumb dumb they all scream that


Lol yeah.we can trust their stated objectives or goals lol

It is the documented truth ..your jets first mission in syria was extermination of the turkmen minority

 

[whougonnacall]

N by free you of course mean promote a certain pro liberal/pro western narrative.

You're naive to think western journalist have freedom to report whatever they want. They have protocols to follow.
Just look at CNN/MSNBC vs Fox News. One is more liberal, while the other is more conservative. You seriously think pro liberal journalist will last long in Fox News? What about conservative journalist in CNN/MSNBC?

Now what those 2 have in common is they're both pro western (in their own way) n anti Russian. So you seriously think pro Russian journalist would last at either network?

So once again these media networks don't report the news, they interpret the news for viewers n shape their believes.

God forbid they promote the free west vues over tyranny ...lol

Utter b.s theres a huge difference in laws inn the west governing press freedom and the russian lack of press freedom...you are desperate at this stage if you think to compare them

Fox or cnn both report xcandals that hurt sitting goverments....rt cannot do that with putin, any media type who makes funnof him like snl with trump would be shot

Feel free to compare western freedom scores and russias at anystage sport

 

[whougonnacall]

What? Who did Russia attack exactly?

If anything it was USA/NATO flexing its muscle n attacked non member state in the 90s.

Those countries quickly realized it's better to be part of NATO than their target

Yeah lol no bullying comrade ..the baltic states have nothing to fear lol
Georgia much? Ukraine? Putins saying ussr deals that freed those countries invalid etc

Ooh serbia another genocidal pal..as a russian you must be so proud of your countries recent track record of promoting genocide

 

[whougonnacall]

So opcw concludes sarin or sarin like substance was used.


Russia objects to having a brittish citizen head on both opcw investigations ...says agaisnt intl norms (apparently the brits cant be head of anything now)

 

[grimballer]

Lol weak comeback

Is there a rebellion in sa right now? No
Ok

no its a real come back, cause youre full of shit.

but let me get this right...

so youre gonna overlook n ignore all the atrocities n human right violations committed by sa n you gonna continue to arm them n have them as close allies, but the moment theres a rebellion or uprising against the saudi regime you gonna do 180 n support the rebels? i get scumbags like you (n other neocons) have no honor n would double cross your own family member for the right price. i doubt you would turn your back on that sweet saudi oil money though.

Its the middle east dumb dumb they all scream that

great job generalizing the entire region cletus!

n no they dont all do that. just the crazy fanatical ones you support.

Lol yeah.we can trust their stated objectives or goals lol

It is the documented truth ..your jets first mission in syria was extermination of the turkmen minority

nope. it was exterminating isis n other radical groups wrecking havoc on syria. you know, the same guys you were arming n helping gain territory.