Crime Study: UK focuses too much on "far right," lacks knowledge of Islamic terrorism

[Fox by the Sea]

whenever i hear somebody saying unironically that white supremacy or "the far right" is the biggest threat to country X (UK, Canada, or America, or France or Germany in Europe, cause this is where this shit most often appears), i automatically think that person is either ideologically captive, or an absolute dipshit moron.

 

[Tatra]

It's become increasingly apparent that the 'experts' in so many fields really have no fucking idea what's going on and the research around Islamic extremism is a clear example of this.

The driving force behind the growth of Islamic extremism is not Western foreign policy, although it certainly plays a role, but the growth of what muslims view as 'Western influence' in their own countries. Few people will know this but issues such as divorce and illegitimacy have become more common in the muslim world over the past few decades, particularly since the 90s, and this is what drives muslims towards extremism. Muslims living in the West viewing how women dress and behave also pushes them towards extremism because their worst fear is their daughters growing up to be like that. The growth of atheism/irreligion in the muslim world due to access to information (internet) also fuels extremism because muslim leaders quite simply can't compete. To quote thunderf00t... 'the internet: where religions come to die'.

None of this is actually 'Western influence', of course. It's simply a little bit of prosperity which enables people to have more freedom and therefore the breakdown of conservative social norms.

Western military aggression in the muslim world is never going to destroy Islam... but liberal social norms absolutely will, and that is what the extremists fear more than anything combined. To the contrary, I would argue that violence actually brings muslims closer to their faith. It certainly did with Jews in the former Russian empire, where the rate of assimilation was very low. However, the rate of assimilation for Jews in the Austro-Hungarian empire was much higher. It's no surprise that this is where Zionism was born, because Jewish leaders were terrified of Jews dying out through assimilation so they were desperate for their own homeland, whilst that same fear was not found amongst the pogrom-fearing Jewish populations of the Russian empire. Rabbis prayed for a Czarist victory when Napoleon was preparing to invade Russia, because they knew a victory for France meant the emancipation of Jews and a new era of prosperity which would 'sever the ties of the hearts of Jews to Jerusalem'.

"Should Bonaparte win, the wealth of the Jews will be increased and their [civic] position will be raised. At the same time their hearts will be estranged from our Heavenly Father. Should however our Czar Alexander win, the Jewish hearts will draw nearer to our Heavenly Father, though the poverty of Israel may become greater and his position lower." - Shneur Zalman

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Kvolcom

Bruh, take that shit back to the OT.

 

[Tatra]

Far right terrorists have killed less people in the past 20 years than a few months of murders in Chicago. How is that in any way some sort of threat to anything?

Also note your link conveniently puts it after 9/11, and the number is only slightly higher than the Islamist terrorist murders. Also, there are probably far more far-right people in America than extreme Islamists.

The myth that there's some sort of wide-spread far right violence movement is complete non-sense. Unless you on the same hand think there is a literal genocide happening in every major city in the country.

When you consider muslims are a tiny % of the US population yet compete in numbers of terrorist attacks with so-called 'white supremacists', it does put it all into perspective. But leftists always leave this vital detail out. And it's debatable that these so-called 'white supremacists' are even white supremacists. The Proud Boys, for example, is not white supremacist, but it just shows the desperation of the left. And the fact they still bring up Charlottesville. lol

 

[Tatra]

You said the far right doesn't exist yet they were the ones to get the UK out of Europe?

is it really that hard to understand?

9/11 killed less people than both yet we still spend billions on anti-terrorism..

Covid killed more than all of them combined yet the right still fights tooth and nail that it's a nothing burger

It's cute that you use these arguments when it suits you and ignore it when it doesn't.

what was the biggest selling point for the UK leaving EU again?

Those 6 football hooligans must be very powerful then.

LMFAO you are a joke.

 

[HOLA]

Far right terrorists have killed less people in the past 20 years than a few months of murders in Chicago. How is that in any way some sort of threat to anything?

Also note your link conveniently puts it after 9/11, and the number is only slightly higher than the Islamist terrorist murders. Also, there are probably far more far-right people in America than extreme Islamists.

The myth that there's some sort of wide-spread far right violence movement is complete non-sense. Unless you on the same hand think there is a literal genocide happening in every major city in the country.

I'd imagine there are also more murders overall as a result of domestic violence. Pointing out something is worse is not a defense for something that is bad. Boeing can't defend its airplane doors falling off with "but what about xyz car company's failing airbags!?" Yes, cars should be safe too, but that doesn't solve airplane's doors falling off mid-flight, does it? People can work to improve the safety of both.

In recent years we've had white supremacists shoot up synagogues, Jewish nursing homes, black churches, target Sikhs and Latinos, etc. It's a problem. It appears many right-wingers are such snowflakes, so ultra-sensitive to criticism, they'd rather let it continue unabated rather than reflect on its existence.

When the El Paso shooting happened in 2019 or 2020, the shooter wrote a literal manifesto and posted it online, talking about the great replacement theory and explaining he was motivated by the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand. Multiple posters were just "nah, terror attacks from white nationalists aren't real. What about BLM and who they killed?"

 

[Loiosh]

It's always been my understanding that far right extremism is the most dangerous domestic terror threat, not the biggest problem.

The far right pushes back hard on this messaging because their fucked up ideology leans hard on fear of the other and the truth often gets in the way.

 

[Loiosh]

I'd imagine there are also more murders overall as a result of domestic violence. Pointing out something is worse is not a defense for something that is bad. Boeing can't defend its airplane doors falling off with "but what about xyz car company's failing airbags!?" Yes, cars should be safe too, but that doesn't solve airplane's doors falling off mid-flight, does it? People can work to improve the safety of both.

In recent years we've had white supremacists shoot up synagogues, Jewish nursing homes, black churches, target Sikhs and Latinos, etc. It's a problem. It appears many right-wingers are such snowflakes, so ultra-sensitive to criticism, they'd rather let it continue unabated rather than reflect on its existence.

When the El Paso shooting happened in 2019 or 2020, the shooter wrote a literal manifesto and posted it online, talking about the great replacement theory and explaining he was motivated by the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand. Multiple posters were just "nah, terror attacks from white nationalists aren't real. What about BLM and who they killed?"

You didn't mention the far right attacks on the power grid, which hit an all time peak last year.

 

[The Big Yin]

You said the far right doesn't exist yet they were the ones to get the UK out of Europe?

is it really that hard to understand?

What a retarded take

 

[KnightTemplar]

It's always been my understanding that far right extremism is the most dangerous domestic terror threat, not the biggest problem.

The far right pushes back hard on this messaging because their fucked up ideology leans hard on fear of the other and the truth often gets in the way.

Not in the UK.

Since 2005, Islamic terrorism has killed north of 90 people in the United Kingdom. In that same time period, Far Right Terrorism has been responsible for two murders.

Comparing the threat both pose to the British people is like comparing lightening strikes to car crashes.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Not in the UK.

Since 2005, Islamic terrorism has killed north of 90 people in the United Kingdom. In that same time period, Far Right Terrorism has been responsible for two murders.

Comparing the threat both pose to the British people is like comparing lightening strikes to car crashes.

Exactly, but don't let actual facts and statistics get in the way of lies and warped leftist ideology.

 

[UFCUCF]

Right. In a country the size of Great Britain, you could only possibly study one thing at a time. Studying this kind of extremism creates gaps in studying other extremism.

My study indicates that the lack of study of Jewish extremism in UK is due to gaps created by making studies about whether gaps in studying islamic extremism is caused by over study of far right extremism.


Here is the thing with these “studies.” The bigots win because they pit one group against another.

 

[Bojka]

You said the far right doesn't exist yet they were the ones to get the UK out of Europe?

is it really that hard to understand?

Ahhh yes, the far right representing 52% of the vote. Thank you for clarifying what the left means by 'far right,' which very often includes the median position.

 

[Siver!]

The study, for the Commission for Countering Extremism, revealed that Islamist extremists are using legal threats to help deter researchers from writing about them.

Just fucking research and write about them, what are they gonna do?

Sounds like an excuse to me.

 

[Loiosh]

Not in the UK.

Since 2005, Islamic terrorism has killed north of 90 people in the United Kingdom. In that same time period, Far Right Terrorism has been responsible for two murders.

Comparing the threat both pose to the British people is like comparing lightening strikes to car crashes.

I know absolutely nothing about the situation in the UK outside of the fact American conservatives lie about it all the time.

Fox had a terrorism expert on prime time talking about how Birmingham was a Muslim no-go zone practicing Sharia law.

At some point I'll probably take a closer look at the situation in the UK because their conservatives feed American conservatives who feed Canadian conservatives (who are extremely fucked up but nobody cares about Canada).

 

[Loiosh]

Ahhh yes, the far right representing 52% of the vote. Thank you for clarifying what the left means by 'far right,' which very often includes the median position.

That's not how math and elections work.

Extremists spread propaganda that spreads down the extremism chain to otherwise sane people and that pushes elections.

 

[Bojka]

That's not how math and elections work.

Extremists spread propaganda that spreads down the extremism chain to otherwise sane people and that pushes elections.

Regardless of the rest of your opinion, can you explain the 'that's not have math works' part of your post? lol. Did you just add the word math to make your post seem more technical or something?

 

[Scheme]

I'd imagine there are also more murders overall as a result of domestic violence. Pointing out something is worse is not a defense for something that is bad. Boeing can't defend its airplane doors falling off with "but what about xyz car company's failing airbags!?" Yes, cars should be safe too, but that doesn't solve airplane's doors falling off mid-flight, does it? People can work to improve the safety of both.

In recent years we've had white supremacists shoot up synagogues, Jewish nursing homes, black churches, target Sikhs and Latinos, etc. It's a problem. It appears many right-wingers are such snowflakes, so ultra-sensitive to criticism, they'd rather let it continue unabated rather than reflect on its existence.

When the El Paso shooting happened in 2019 or 2020, the shooter wrote a literal manifesto and posted it online, talking about the great replacement theory and explaining he was motivated by the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand. Multiple posters were just "nah, terror attacks from white nationalists aren't real. What about BLM and who they killed?"

Saying it's even a threat is complete nonsense, 4x more people die from getting struck by lightning each year. It's complete fear-mongering, unless of course you are 4x more afraid of dying by lightning strike.

 

[HOLA]

Saying it's even a threat is complete nonsense, 4x more people die from getting struck by lightning each year. It's complete fear-mongering, unless of course you are 4x more afraid of dying by lightning strike.

A primary function of the FBI is to investigate domestic terrorism, not lightning strikes. As such, they're going to release stats of domestic terror incidents and make comments on that, because it's their focus. Another thing they focus on in is being proactive; that is, being ready before something happens, and taking steps to stop it. They've caught numerous people who were planning some sort of attack. If they operated with the belief that the threat was nonsense, this would not have happened.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I know absolutely nothing about the situation in the UK outside of the fact American conservatives lie about it all the time.

Fox had a terrorism expert on prime time talking about how Birmingham was a Muslim no-go zone practicing Sharia law.

At some point I'll probably take a closer look at the situation in the UK because their conservatives feed American conservatives who feed Canadian conservatives (who are extremely fucked up but nobody cares about Canada).

Yeah, the Fox thing about Birmingham being a, "totally Muslim city where non-Muslims don't go" is complete bollocks. That said, there were certain parts of England where Muslims were allowed to break the law with impunity because senior police and politicians were terrified of being labelled, "racists".

So not a No Go Area, but certainly an area in which the law was not applied as it should have been: without fear or favour.