Stop comparing Fedor to Stipe. Stipe has clearly already surpassed Fedor and beat guys who would ...

Pakman said:
He already lost to Struve.

But everyone itt is right, TS has pretty much confirmed he is a noob.

Fedor became champ and then fought 18 times across the span of 7 years before he tasted defeat. Yes, not everyone was vs a top contender, yes, not every fight was for his title, but 18 fights.

18 fights in which he beat Mirko, Big Nog (literally the #2 HW in the world and perhaps the #2 fighter in the sport when they fought), Hunt, Timmy, AA, Rogers, Coleman 2x etcetc.

18 fuckin fights. And guys are celebrating the fact that Stipe managed to defend belt 3 times. Lol

Stipe is an amazing fighter, not tryin to bash him, but, there’s no reason to try and shit on past fighters to make him look good. Especially the greatest HW that has competed in MMA.
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Stipe would have beaten every single fighter Fedor beat in the same order at the same time and then beat Fedor too. He was impressive. He was great. He wasn't Stipe.
 
grimballer said:
Randy n Tim Sylvia from 07 would murder both stipe n ngannou
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Hahaha holy fuckin shit, how sad


Stipe is your goat. The greatest heavyweight to have ever fought in MMA. End of story. You don't have to like it but don't just lie to yourself and others
 
He didn't already surpass Fedor. We hear this with every other HW UFC champ. Stipe is the best one, maybe the greatest they've had since the title is passed around like a joint. Both Cain and Stipe lack a huge disparity in sudmission skill compared to the Russian and they were slower in both cases with lower fight i.q.

You can make fun of Fedor fighting Zulu and what you consider cans. That's called a fun fight, no 265 weight limit etc..let's just see what happens. I guarantee you no one in the UFC would buzz through that guy like Emilianenko did. It's not the only incident. Same thing when Nogueira and Randy fought Sylvia.

That's Fedor's era, not Stipe's and people can't seem to get this simple fact. Fedor is a more sensational fighter than Miocic comparing both what they did in their era imo, and I don't dislike Miocic. I'm actually glad he won exactly how I predicted he should fight that fight, because if it was Ngannou, the hype train would be melting the rails. Stipe isn't a manufactured champ. He's legit one of the toughest or the toughest in the world atm.
 
Do you only make troll threads?

Your 'huge Conor fan' thread the other day where you spend the whole OP insulting him was pretty bad too.....

If you're bored, theres always porn and video game torrents you can download instead of clogging up MMA forums with garbage.....
 
Taric said:
When Stipe has been fighting for 15 years, he'll be losing to a lot worse fighters than Fedor has lost to. Revive this thread in 7 years.
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Hopefully Stipe will be smart enough not to fight that long.
 
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I like Stipe but the HW division is notably terrible right now.
 
Theproof said:
Tear Fedor apart

I can confirm that Stipe has indeed far exceeded Fedors overrated career.

Fedor has time and time again been embarrassed and defeated and has built a career on beating mostly out of shape pride bums and people who shouldn't be fighting to begin with.

A couple of lucky wins vs top heavyweights doesn't mean he's the goat.

When he stepped up to finally fight real competition after ducking the UFC for so long to protect his legacy, he more often than not got ran over and humilitated.

Losing to Werdum, getting demolished by big foot Silva, getting knocked the fuck out by mitrione and barely beating Fabio maldanado.

I like Fedor and his little silent Russian gimmick but the guy is as overrated as they come an that's ok. He has his little nitch in the sport. But don't ever compare him to the he athletess of today and claim that he is goat. It's a slap in the face to these guys who have fought real competition they're whole careers.

Stipe would wipe the floor with everybody that Fedor has faced
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damn casuals..go jump off a roof
 
lolo 06 said:
To everybody who really knows mma for more than 3,4 years stipe is great but no where near all time great at hw because he beat a record previously held by................Tim sylvia
He almost lost to a completely shot past his prime non roid overeem....
Brown,Rothwell and big foot beat a better version of him and no one make a big deal about it lol
He beat few past their primes former great fighters and now people talk about him being goat...
What is stipe best win ? 40 years old hunt or werdum?
A diminished version of jds has a win over stipe,that s all you need to know
He is a great fighter with a record for his division but historically the ufc hw div has been weak
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to be fair, fedor almost lost to fujita too, got his back taken by coleman of all people and had various problems with other fighters
especially at hw it seems you need the mental strength to pull victory from the jaws of defeat and stipe and fedor both definitely had that, you can't fault them for struggling sometimes
 
91 seconds said:
He didn't already surpass Fedor. We hear this with every other HW UFC champ. Stipe is the best one, maybe the greatest they've had since the title is passed around like a joint. Both Cain and Stipe lack a huge disparity in sudmission skill compared to the Russian and they were slower in both cases with lower fight i.q.

You can make fun of Fedor fighting Zulu and what you consider cans. That's called a fun fight, no 265 weight limit etc..let's just see what happens. I guarantee you no one in the UFC would buzz through that guy like Emilianenko did. It's not the only incident. Same thing when Nogueira and Randy fought Sylvia.

That's Fedor's era, not Stipe's and people can't seem to get this simple fact. Fedor is a more sensational fighter than Miocic comparing both what they did in their era imo, and I don't dislike Miocic. I'm actually glad he won exactly how I predicted he should fight that fight, because if it was Ngannou, the hype train would be melting the rails. Stipe isn't a manufactured champ. He's legit one of the toughest or the toughest in the world atm.
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A big issue is that no UFC champ has ever had a decent reign, Stipe with 3 defences has the record yet after beating Nog in 2003 Fedor went 18 matches undefeated, granted not all top comp but still Fujita, Goodridge, Coleman, Randleman, Nog x2 , Crocop, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski and Rogers.
 
NILLI said:
Like what? He did some things that has not been replicated because most of the guys he fought were not complete mix martial artists. Nowadays even most HW's (keep in mind this is the weakest division) are more well rounded than when Fedor was around.
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complete mixed martial artists? like ngannou? what a joke. if ngannou fought in pride he wouldve been viewed as a buff version of zulu.

HHJ said:
I will never keep in mind its the weakest division. No one was saying that in his day. You had fedor,who was literally God,barnett,couture,rizzo,crocop,nogueria,kharitonov back when he took mma seriously,arlovski, etc. No one said hw sucked then. Its all you noobs saying that who missed out on the reign. "Complete martial artists?" What a fuckin joke. Specialists at one skill who dabble in defensive aspects of another can still succeed and it will never change.
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true story. pride heavyweight division was godly. present day ufc heavyweight is bumfights. werdum was mediocre in pride and was ufc champ.

lolo 06 said:
To everybody who really knows mma for more than 3,4 years stipe is great but no where near all time great at hw because he beat a record previously held by................Tim sylvia
He almost lost to a completely shot past his prime non roid overeem....
Brown,Rothwell and big foot beat a better version of him and no one make a big deal about it lol
He beat few past their primes former great fighters and now people talk about him being goat...
What is stipe best win ? 40 years old hunt or werdum?
A diminished version of jds has a win over stipe,that s all you need to know
He is a great fighter with a record for his division but historically the ufc hw div has been weak
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so true
 
Fedor is still #1 but Stipe is clearly #2. He would also give prime Fedor a lot of problems
 
spannered said:
It's funny how the wave of Sherdoggers change around here over generations. Back in 2005 - 2009, it got so old hearing about how Fedor was a god. Now he's just the guy who got exposed KO'd by a MW in Henderson.

Rack up a few losses after 10 years and a 27 fight undefeated streak outside your prime, and you're suddenly nothing. Stipe is good, but he doesn't hold a candle to 2000 - 2010 Fedor. He crushed a few cans in his time, but he was also fighting the best HWs on the planet whenever they got signed, and he steamrolled them all. Even when he was in trouble, he quickly got out of it. He had it all: world class BJJ, powerful looping punches that caught everyone on the chin, sambo throws, traditional wrestling, devestating GnP...and he had endless cardio. No one else at HW has ever come close to that sort of well roundedness and consistency.

New fans don't think Randleman, Nog, Mirko, Arlovski, Coleman, Fujita, Schilt and Hunt are big wins now, because naturally they've since fallen out of their primes and retired. At the time, he demolished everyone, including world class specialists, in every facet of MMA, and consistently. Stipe has 3x defenses and now holds the record for the most consecutive HW defenses in the UFC....Fedor jumped ship between orgs, but to win 27 fights in a row at HW, beating the names he beat (many of them multiple times) will probably never be done again.

Even if Stipe defends his belt against Valasquez and someone like Werdum again, I'd still put him behind Fedor.
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Not a Fedor fan but this is a great summary. Fedor was the best of his era. Yes, he fought numerous cans but at the end of the day there was not once of doubt as to who was the best HW for like 10 years. That longevity in that weight class speaks for itself. I am still kinda upset that we missed two fights that would have been amazing : Fedor vs Cain and Fedor vs Brock. Those two fights would have been great and MAYBE shut up many trolls on this site.

Only on Sherdog does people question Fedor, Cormier & GSP’s body of work and greatness.
 
hymn said:
to be fair, fedor almost lost to fujita too, got his back taken by coleman of all people and had various problems with other fighters
especially at hw it seems you need the mental strength to pull victory from the jaws of defeat and stipe and fedor both definitely had that, you can't fault them for struggling sometimes
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opie said:
complete mixed martial artists? like ngannou? what a joke. if ngannou fought in pride he wouldve been viewed as a buff version of zulu.



true story. pride heavyweight division was godly. present day ufc heavyweight is bumfights. werdum was mediocre in pride and was ufc champ.



so true
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Comparing Zulu to Ngannou is as stupid as comparing Stipe’s legacy to Fedor’s. And to say Werdum was not good because he was mediocre in Pride speaks for your lack of understanding that fighters can evolve. Werdum is not nearly the fighter he was in Strikeforce ffs.
 
We certainly need more "great UFC fighters" like Cain (who also lost to Werdum) who fights once a decade, so much better than a man who fought most every name HW in a decade...
 
To be the GOAT you need the records, highlights, and the popularity. These are what immortalize athletes. Miocic has none of these. Outside of the hardcores, nobody knows him. Miocic doesn't have a highlight reel that will be revisited by the next generation of MMA fans like Fedor, he isn't memorable and will be forgotten by the next generation of MMA fans while Fedor immortalized himself with his fighting style, finishes, and victories. That is why finishing is important because it gets the youtube clicks, & in this era, that is immortality. Fans look back to the greats and fighters like Fedor and Anderson who have the highlight reel are immortal because of it. Miocic also doesn't have the Records Fedor has, 10 years undefeated and a 32 fight win streak. Universally recognized by MMA fans and fighters as the greatest during his reign.

With all that said, Miocic like Cain, would have been a problem for even a prime Fedor. But because Miocic and almost every other HW can never fight a prime Fedor, in order to surpass Fedor for HW GOAT, they have to compete against Fedor's career. & right now, Miocic and every other HW is nowhere close. Once Miocic's peers start saying he is the greatest HW of all time, then there is something to talk about. But there isn't a MMA fighter or coach alive saying Miocic is the greatest HW of all time. Not one.
 
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