Stop comparing Fedor to Stipe. Stipe has clearly already surpassed Fedor and beat guys who would ...

[moreorless87]

Big Nog in his prime would out grapple Stipe. Stipe likes being on top, Nog was a guru on the bottom. Could easily land a submission.

Hunt is a far better fighter now I'll give you that, but Werdum was cocky in the Stipe fight. Pretty much ran at him with his hands down.

Nah Hunt isn't better, people are fooled by Hunt going on a slide post Pride were by his own admission he was barely training but the Hunt Fedor fought showed a similar level of grappling ability(that is patchy but certainly not clueless) but was younger with a lot more speed and FAR better cardio.

A big issue as well is that in todays HW division theers hardly anyone with wrestling and submission ability that Fedor and Barnett beat him with, Werdums a ruibbish wrestler these days as he's lost a lot of speed.

 

[Bacco]

Fedor was by far the best fighter of his era, but he won't be the GOAT forever. New guys will build much better careers. Whether that will be Stipe is still debatable at this point. Stipe could go on a tear for the next couple years or could lose and retire next fight.

That's my mindset
I'm really open to the idea at some point a new HW will surpass him or convince me he will be the favourite over prime Fedor, and i think at some point it will happen... is just not happened yet

JDS or Cain looked like they was great candidates, but they declined so quickly
Stipe is a great guy but got a career with * next to most of his big wins, it's almost like the only big name in his top shape he fought is Ngannou himself... not his fault, but still

 

[moreorless87]

That's my mindset
I'm really open to the idea at some point a new HW will surpass him or convince me he will be the favourite over prime Fedor, and i think at some point it will happen... is just not happened yet

JDS or Cain looked like they was great candidates, but they declined so quickly
Stipe is a great guy but got a career with * next to most of his big wins, it's almost like the only big name in his top shape he fought is Ngannou himself... not his fault, but still

Honestly though I take the view that at HW any rapid evolution in the sport stopped by the early/mid 00's, fighters with world class backgrounds with elite level cross training existed by that point in significant numbers(more significant than today), maybe it took longer to filter down to some other divisions with less money on offer but all this talk about "neo fighting ability" just seems like vague nonsense to me, when you ask people to pin it down you get a great big silence.

In terms of athletic ability I think there WAY too soon to see any significant shifts, maybe in lower divisions US experience with weight cutting is a factor in allowing fighters to be larger but that's not a factor at HW. In most sports your talking decades of differences before pure physicality is going to become a big gap. Nobody would say for example than someone like Zidane wouldn't be one of the best players in the world today because training has moved on so far.

How many times has the same "new breed" hype crashed and burned now? Lesnar? Carwin? Ngannou?

 

[Clear Winner]

Ban this fool. The Fedor who fought Mitrione is not the same Fedor who beat Big Nog, Cro Cop, Mark Coleman, and Mark Hunt

Do you think that Miocic couldn't beat those fighters too?

 

[NILLI]

No. It hasn't. He was doing things that have not been replicated. Might never be replicated. He cant do it anymore but when he could? no ones topped it.

Like what? He did some things that has not been replicated because most of the guys he fought were not complete mix martial artists. Nowadays even most HW's (keep in mind this is the weakest division) are more well rounded than when Fedor was around.

 

[HHJ]

Like what? He did some things that has not been replicated because most of the guys he fought were not complete mix martial artists. Nowadays even most HW's (keep in mind this is the weakest division) are more well rounded than when Fedor was around.

I will never keep in mind its the weakest division. No one was saying that in his day. You had fedor,who was literally God,barnett,couture,rizzo,crocop,nogueria,kharitonov back when he took mma seriously,arlovski, etc. No one said hw sucked then. Its all you noobs saying that who missed out on the reign. "Complete martial artists?" What a fuckin joke. Specialists at one skill who dabble in defensive aspects of another can still succeed and it will never change.

 

[lolo 06]

To everybody who really knows mma for more than 3,4 years stipe is great but no where near all time great at hw because he beat a record previously held by................Tim sylvia
He almost lost to a completely shot past his prime non roid overeem....
Brown,Rothwell and big foot beat a better version of him and no one make a big deal about it lol
He beat few past their primes former great fighters and now people talk about him being goat...
What is stipe best win ? 40 years old hunt or werdum?
A diminished version of jds has a win over stipe,that s all you need to know
He is a great fighter with a record for his division but historically the ufc hw div has been weak

 

[aichokyu]

Tear Fedor apart

I can confirm that Stipe has indeed far exceeded Fedors overrated career.

Fedor has time and time again been embarrassed and defeated and has built a career on beating mostly out of shape pride bums and people who shouldn't be fighting to begin with.

A couple of lucky wins vs top heavyweights doesn't mean he's the goat.

When he stepped up to finally fight real competition after ducking the UFC for so long to protect his legacy, he more often than not got ran over and humilitated.

Losing to Werdum, getting demolished by big foot Silva, getting knocked the fuck out by mitrione and barely beating Fabio maldanado.

I like Fedor and his little silent Russian gimmick but the guy is as overrated as they come an that's ok. He has his little nitch in the sport. But don't ever compare him to the he athletess of today and claim that he is goat. It's a slap in the face to these guys who have fought real competition they're whole careers.

Stipe would wipe the floor with everybody that Fedor has faced

 

[Phi-]

So many old farts here talking about the past like it was something special. From 2003-2005 Fedor fought guys like Fujita, Ogawa, Nagata and TK and you nostalgic fucks have the nerve to talk about Fedors "tougher" competition? Imagine Stipe stepping in the ring against Ralek Gracie, Nakamura and Tatsuya Mizuno, lol. People would want to strip him off his belt cause he is not defending, rightfully so. Meanwhile every second fight Fedor had was against lighter competition without the belt on the line. And you're talking about some great legacy?

If I wasn't on sherdog I would think you are joking, but sadly here; is normal.

 

[PancraseForever]

Miocic isn't even that good. Which makes it even more ironic he broke the HW record. His days are numbered.

 

[mmamxfan]

Fedor will always be hw goat in my mind, but he catches shit for freakshow and non title fights. I say we give Stipe an A level athelete in a freak show fight to see how he does. I'd bet on this guy all day long over Stipe even with only 2 pro fights. Plus they could market the fuck out of it, with everyone wanting money fights these days, I'm sure Stipe would be down.

 

[JimtheJake]

Ban TS.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Fedor beat Mirko when Mirko was basically doing what Ngannou was doing, but he had 2 things Ngannou doesn't. Cardio and takedown defense.

and if you think Struve would beat Fedor, you need to watch Fedor dismantle Semmy Schilt.

And you know massive amounts of credentials across the combat sports world lol not 4 years of MMa traning

 

[NILLI]

I will never keep in mind its the weakest division. No one was saying that in his day. You had fedor,who was literally God,barnett,couture,rizzo,crocop,nogueria,kharitonov back when he took mma seriously,arlovski, etc. No one said hw sucked then. Its all you noobs saying that who missed out on the reign. "Complete martial artists?" What a fuckin joke. Specialists at one skill who dabble in defensive aspects of another can still succeed and it will never change.

So what did Fedor do that has not been replicated?

 

[Relentless chase]

and if you think Struve would beat Fedor, you need to watch Fedor dismantle Semmy Schilt.

Or Hong man Choi. that shit was legendary man!

 

[Akabignasty]

Casual

 

[BigggerNog]

I thought it was Cain that was better than Fedor. Have me moved past that hype train?

 

[POWER2]

Tear Fedor apart

I can confirm that Stipe has indeed far exceeded Fedors overrated career.

Fedor has time and time again been embarrassed and defeated and has built a career on beating mostly out of shape pride bums and people who shouldn't be fighting to begin with.

A couple of lucky wins vs top heavyweights doesn't mean he's the goat.

When he stepped up to finally fight real competition after ducking the UFC for so long to protect his legacy, he more often than not got ran over and humilitated.

Losing to Werdum, getting demolished by big foot Silva, getting knocked the fuck out by mitrione and barely beating Fabio maldanado.

I like Fedor and his little silent Russian gimmick but the guy is as overrated as they come an that's ok. He has his little nitch in the sport. But don't ever compare him to the he athletess of today and claim that he is goat. It's a slap in the face to these guys who have fought real competition they're whole careers.

Stipe would wipe the floor with everybody that Fedor has faced

You can't confirm shit. lol You're a nobody.

 

[Dirge]

Tear Fedor apart

I can confirm that Stipe has indeed far exceeded Fedors overrated career.

Fedor has time and time again been embarrassed and defeated and has built a career on beating mostly out of shape pride bums and people who shouldn't be fighting to begin with.

A couple of lucky wins vs top heavyweights doesn't mean he's the goat.

When he stepped up to finally fight real competition after ducking the UFC for so long to protect his legacy, he more often than not got ran over and humilitated.

Losing to Werdum, getting demolished by big foot Silva, getting knocked the fuck out by mitrione and barely beating Fabio maldanado.

I like Fedor and his little silent Russian gimmick but the guy is as overrated as they come an that's ok. He has his little nitch in the sport. But don't ever compare him to the he athletess of today and claim that he is goat. It's a slap in the face to these guys who have fought real competition they're whole careers.

Stipe would wipe the floor with everybody that Fedor has faced

I've never been a big fan of Fedor's hype and I do consider Stipe's resume to be superior in terms of quality of opponents but to be fair Fedor beat Crocrop and Big Nog in their prime and beat them handily.

Yes many of his wins were against cans or guys way way past their prime (41 year old Mark Coleman for example), vastly undersized (Matt Lindland), but he has some legit wins on his resume.

The problem with his record is that his legit wins are sandwiched in between many can crush fights. Not Fedor's fault. Pride put him up against those guys. He fought who he was contracted to fight.

That said Fedor in his prime vs. Stipe would end badly for Fedor. Fedor couldn't finish Big Nog or Crocrop and neither of them had the tools that Stipe has, namely wrestling and top control. Stipe would take Fedor down at will and crush him from the top. Not to mention, i am fairly certain he hits harder than pretty much anyone else he ever faced.

 

[Final Say]

It's pretty obvious who would win that fight, even if they were both in their prime


You will continue to get shit on for this TS. You can't question Fedor here. But you're right, Stipe would beat him in any era