Power Hungry UC Berkeley Cop takes all cash from a Hotdog Street Vendor's wallet. Right or Wrong?

[Cid]

Does the guy selling hot dogs have a permit? Does the area where he was selling them require a permit?

No and no? Why on earth do you think my sympathies would lie with him? He's not a victim. He's a lawbreaker. Fuck your petition.

Cops in your country can take money out of people's wallets now?

 

[spamking]

Why does one require a permit to sell hot dogs?
Serious (if stupid) question.

Vendors need to meet specific food safety requirements in order to legally sell food. Obtaining a permit indicates that they've been inspected once or twice and have completed the steps required to meet those minimum safety requirements.

 

[weed]

America you need a permit to sell a hot dog it's the land of opportunity brother

you need a permit for safety reasons. what if some sick fuck sells poison hot dogs on a random corner on any random day & just disappears into the wind?

the permit ensures the likelihood that there would be no foul play.

 

[spamking]

This is a good point. Hot dogs are already pre-prepared. Can you even get sick from eating a hot dog straight out of the package? Not that I want to...

Who would want to eat a cold hot dog from someone off the street? But to answer your question, yes you can get sick if they've not been held at the proper cold holding temperature or cooked and then not held at the proper hot holding temperature.

 

[Fanu]

What's the situation, Fanu?

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He is to blame. He is at fault. He is the bad guy.

I agree that lawbreakers should be responsible for their actions

It's time this country pulled its head out of its ass and saw the plain truth of that. So let's get upset first at him before we turn our attention to the cop, and when we do, perhaps we can first review if the cop actually violated the boundaries of his authority. After all, if he didn't, then this conversation isn't about him, but about the law, but we didn't even stand a chance to get there because of the OP and its anti-authority confirmation bias.

this is whats important here

an ordinary cop is allowed to go through your wallet and take your money - a fine isnt enough, you also have to literally get robbed by a cop at the spot without any trial

thats all kinds of fucked up and imo not warranted with petty crimes like these

now if the guy was selling drugs/weapons or was human trafficking on the street then that changes things

in regards to some things, US is worse than a 3rd country..there is barely any rule of law, there is only rule of the strongest/wealthiest who have "get out of jail free" card while everyone else is bent over and fucked

 

[cincymma79]

Why does one require a permit to sell hot dogs?
Serious (if stupid) question.

So you follow some Health regulations and don't kill people with salmonella and shit

 

[Gangsters_Paradise]

you need a permit for safety reasons. what if some sick fuck sells poison hot dogs on a random corner on any random day & just disappears into the wind?

the permit ensures the likelihood that there would be no foul play.

ah the old fear reasoning as if a permit excludes you from selling food poisoning. In reality a hot dog stand owner having a permit isn't going to increase or decrease the likelihood of him selling "poison" . The permit is for tax purposes not because of him selling "poison" . A hot dog cart owner can have a permit sell poison and still disappear into the wind it wouldn't matter. He's not paying his taxes to the state hence he's not paying mr policeman's salary. Police are there to protect the state's income that's why he's getting his profits taken.

 

[Deleted member 491001]

Is this shit legal? I mean if he gave him a ticket, that's one thing but you can't just take away money like that since there is ZERO proof that all that money he took away from him was from selling hotdogs.





Anyways int he long run, seems like it's going to pay off for juan...He's at 32k! LMFAO.


Shit, if he wins a lawsuit, he might have struck gold.

Also they are trying to get rid of this cop.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/992/...-police-department/?taf_id=42219554&cid=fb_na

Apparently this UC berekley Cop, Aranas, has a long history of being a douche.


This guy should fight Antifa/Right Wing Larpers in Berkeley (Cops literally just stay back lol) instead of robbing some guy selling hotdogs.

Cash was booked into evidence and campus police were within the bounds of their powers with the incident.

Thread title pretty misleading.

 

[fallable]

 

[weed]

ah the old fear reasoning as if a permit excludes you from selling food poisoning. In reality a hot dog stand owner having a permit isn't going to increase or decrease the likelihood of him selling "poison" . The permit is for tax purposes not because of him selling "poison" . A hot dog cart owner can have a permit sell poison and still disappear into the wind it wouldn't matter. He's not paying his taxes to the state hence he's not paying mr policeman's salary. Police are there to protect the state's income that's why he's getting his profits taken.

yes, which is why posted earlier "the government wants its cut too".

also, how would the permit not make a difference? it increases the likelihood of tracing an individual in question.

 

[jamel]

Well... My daughters need a permit if they want to sell lemonade on the corner of my driveway...
Seen a video a couple years back where a cop bought a glass then kicked the lil girls stand down...

This has been brewing since 08...

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

This is a good point. Hot dogs are already pre-prepared. Can you even get sick from eating a hot dog straight out of the package? Not that I want to...

depends on the age. dude selling hot dogs on the street without a permit could have just taken them out of the garbage behind a grocery store and grilled them up.

 

[Renard]

I looked it up and as of September 2016 a bill in California now requires a criminal conviction before police agencies can receive proceeds from property valued under $40,000 taken under federal law. There's always been a state law which required criminal conviction to seize property valued under $25,000 but since property seized under federal law was exempt, the police would partner with a federal agency to seize the property and receive most of the proceeds anyway. They can't do anymore.

Basically, outright taking hot dog man's money under civil forfeiture is illegal. But like @Giblert said, UCDP said that they booked the money into evidence i.e. awaiting aforementioned criminal conviction, and if it doesn't happen hot dog man gets his money back.

So... much ado about nothing

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Why does one require a permit to sell hot dogs?
Serious (if stupid) question.

the issue here is that his stand is taking business away from businesses that are doing it within the law, and that people buying his product assume that he is legally allowed to be there and that there is some protection that what they are eating isn't going to make them sick.

 

[lfd0311]

Is this shit legal? I mean if he gave him a ticket, that's one thing but you can't just take away money like that since there is ZERO proof that all that money he took away from him was from selling hotdogs.





Anyways int he long run, seems like it's going to pay off for juan...He's at 32k! LMFAO.


Shit, if he wins a lawsuit, he might have struck gold.

Also they are trying to get rid of this cop.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/992/...-police-department/?taf_id=42219554&cid=fb_na

Apparently this UC berekley Cop, Aranas, has a long history of being a douche.


This guy should fight Antifa/Right Wing Larpers in Berkeley (Cops literally just stay back lol) instead of robbing some guy selling hotdogs.

Berkeley? It's just a little bit of that Communism those Berkeley Students are always asking for.

 

[Gangsters_Paradise]

yes, which is why posted earlier "the government wants its cut too".

also, how would the permit not make a difference? it increases the likelihood of tracing an individual in question.

Well lets say he gets a license from his local health department they're going to inspect his hot dog cart one time and 99.9 percent of the time he'll pass. Then what? Are the health inspectors going to be there every time he sells a hot dog? It's not a fixed location he could take his hot dog cart and leave town if he wants. I mean it's a fuckin hot dog you can eat hot dogs raw they usually come pre cooked anyways is this guy making his own wieners ?

His equipment is going to get inspected that one time then it's all about the state taxing his ass with fees licensing permits taxes and whatever other bureaucratic bullshit they can come up with to get a cut of the profits. This is the same shit as the whole lemonade stand bs where they take down little girls lemonade stands because they are "unsafe" oh please just more fear mongering to defeat logic and reasoning. Were all going to die from lemonade and hotdogs!!!!

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Sure write the ticket but if you agree with having his money stolen then obviously you don't like that he looks like an immigrant. The good thing is that this hard working man is winning in the end thanks to social media.

It isn't like the cop shook him down, that is money that he made illegally, and the cop taught him a lesson. If he let him get away with making money on the thing, then he learns the wrong lesson.

 

[weed]

Well lets say he gets a license from his local health department they're going to inspect his hot dog cart one time and 99.9 percent of the time he'll pass. Then what? Are the health inspectors going to be there every time he sells a hot dog? It's not a fixed location he could take his hot dog cart and leave town if he wants. I mean it's a fuckin hot dog you can eat hot dogs raw they usually come pre cooked anyways is this guy making his own wieners ?

His equipment is going to get inspected that one time then it's all about the state taxing his ass with fees licensing permits taxes and whatever other bureaucratic bullshit they can come up with to get a cut of the profits. This is the same shit as the whole lemonade stand bs where they take down little girls lemonade stands because they are "unsafe" oh please just more fear mongering to defeat logic and reasoning. Were all going to die from lemonade and hotdogs!!!!

permits allow you to sell at a fixed location(s) only if you have a cart. trucks are a different story but then that's when the DMV is involved too.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

ah the old fear reasoning as if a permit excludes you from selling food poisoning. In reality a hot dog stand owner having a permit isn't going to increase or decrease the likelihood of him selling "poison" . The permit is for tax purposes not because of him selling "poison" . A hot dog cart owner can have a permit sell poison and still disappear into the wind it wouldn't matter. He's not paying his taxes to the state hence he's not paying mr policeman's salary. Police are there to protect the state's income that's why he's getting his profits taken.

You don't need to show any identification to get a permit? Pretty hard to disappear into the wind like Whitey Bulger these days when a 5 second search on the internet can get you a map to anybody's home, and the K9 unit can smell the hot dog cart a mile away.

And requiring people to have permits and pay taxes makes it fair for the brick and mortar places (that make up a community) that are legit. You are acting like cops have the ethics of a prison gang.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

The point of the thread is, is it legal to take away cash from somebodies wallet like that......

He made the money via illegal activity.