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Who gives a fuck? Y'all need to leave the basement once in a while.
Well, you've got Nunes twice, so that's one.
Pat Miletich? Jens Pulver? My dude. You are dramatically overvaluing early championships.
Miesha Tate LOLOLOLOLOL ok
Jan Blachowicz? Carla Esparza? Renan Barao? Jesus Christ, dude
Cris Cyborg went 5-1 in the UFC, and her only notable win is Holly Holm
Eddie Alvarez went 4-3-1 in the UFC
Moreno? Figueiredo? Glover Texeria?
RDA had a great career. Inarguably better than Poirier? Lol no
I love Zhang, but to rank her career so far over Poirier is asinine.
You literally just listed a bunch of people who won championships, without any consideration of the depth of the division or the era in which they fought.
Meanwhile, Poirier has two wins over McGregor, two wins over Holloway and a win over Alvarez.
Mate using a timeframe longer than Khabib was champion proves the complete opposite of your point that Dustin would've been champion without Khabib.
Otherwise, you know, he'd have been champion before Khabib or after Khabib. Neither of which happened either. Nor at any point in his 13 years with the UFC/WEC.
BW: Cruz, TJ, Barao, Sterling
FLW: DJ, Cejudo, Fig, Moreno
WFW: Cyborg, Nunes
WBW: Ronda, Nunes, Miesha
WFLW: Val
WSW: Joanna, Rose, Weili, Carla
There's 17 fighters right there from the lighter male and female weight classes who are all definitively ahead of Poirier. That's over half the list already and we didn't even use all of the champions who have ever existed there like Garbrandt, Holm, Grasso, Yan, Pena, etc. or even any of the long time top contenders like Benavidez. You think Poirier should make a list but Benavidez can't?
It's a beyond ridiculous notion to ever say Poirier is a top 30 all time.
Shit, he even lost to Michael Johnson when he looked like a world beater. That shit ended pretty much immediately after the Gaethje fight though.No issue with it, Dustin has had a great career, beat world class fighters and generally only lost to the best (and Michael Johnson)
Compelling list. I was included to agree with the 30th ranking until seeing this. Not sure how much thought you put into the order. I think the names I would maybe make an argument for would be Ngannou, Lyoto, Bendo, Lawler and Woodley.I think from now on, if a poster is going to DISAGREE with a fighter being top 5, 10, 20, or 30 or whatever, it should be MANDATORY to post the names you rank above him/her.
here’s my swing at 30 ufc fighters better than poirer
1. Jon Jones
2 gsp
3 Anderson Silva
4 Matt Hughes
5 volkanovski
6 Usman
7 adesanya
8 Cormier
9 khabib
10 Charles Oliveira
11 Mighty Mouse
12 Henry cejudo
13 Francis ngannou
14 Dominick Cruz
15 Jose Aldo
16 max holloway
17 Tyron woodley
18 Robbie lawler
19 Frankie Edgar
20 bj Penn
21 stipe miocic
22 chuck Liddell
23 tito Ortiz
24 Randy couture
25 junior dos santos
26 Cain Velazquez
27 benson Henderson
28 Robert whittaker
29 tj dillashaw
30 lyoto machida
I only included champions btw. I also have Covington, ferguson, and Romero high up for guys who never won the belt.
poirer is top 40 imo
My list was not in ranking order, just 30 names I felt were clearly more accomplished than poirer. There’s also numerous ufc champions with 0-1 defenses and major non champions, and I didn’t even include any wmma.Compelling list. I was included to agree with the 30th ranking until seeing this. Not sure how much thought you put into the order. I think the names I would maybe make an argument for would be Ngannou, Lyoto, Bendo, Lawler and Woodley.
Absolutely in the top 50. Very likely top 40. I don't think I'd have him in the 30s but I can see reasonable arguments. Would really need a deep look at a ton of records.
Mate using a timeframe longer than Khabib was champion proves the complete opposite of your point that Dustin would've been champion without Khabib.
Otherwise, you know, he'd have been champion before Khabib or after Khabib. Neither of which happened either. Nor at any point in his 13 years with the UFC/WEC.
It's a beyond ridiculous notion to ever say Poirier is a top 30 all time.
No fucking kidding, geez.Recency bias
He hit his prime around the same time as Khabib, he was an unfortunate victim of timing
You can't even refute what I said about him having the best resume at LW during that 4.5 yr span, aside from him losing to Khabib
Remember that Conor was champ & essentially held up the division before Khabib, Dustin would've/could've been champ during that time period if no Khabib
Hey OP, maybe update your thread title. They're up to 25 now.
I'm pretty scared at how awful this list is going to be with fighters like this so far down already.
I mean I knew it would be awful with Poirier at 30 but wow.
I was with you until you started talking about womenhttps://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/10/ufc-greatest-fighters-dustin-poirier-no-30
I don’t know why this is bothering me, but it’s silly to list him so high. He might be top 50, but that’s a debate. UFC has 12 weight divisions (combined male and female) so if you choose 3 fighters from each one, dp is out. Even if you just skip woman’s 145 and ignore every fighter pre ufc 30 he is out. At best he is all time top 5 @155, and I’m sure that would be a debate. I like the guy and enjoy his fights, but this just annoys me (for no good reason).
They haven't released the full list yet. I think they're doing one a day.somebody wanna post the full list?
I like how you're pretending he also never had a FW career where he beat the #1 contender in 2011 or had a #1 contender fight with Conor in 2014. Or a post Khabib career as #1 contender and lost to Charles for the belt then lost to Justin in another #1 contender fight. And that Islam isn't also the same horrible matchup for him that Khabib was.
We have to suddenly pretend he only couldn't make it to the top of the division in 2019.
Why would I refute it? You're literally making my point that he didn't make it to the top before Khabib, during Khabib, or after him.
Your timeline just magically ends in July 2021. Wonder why that is and what happened next. Khabib wasn't champion when Dustin lost another title fight here to Charles.
How would Dustin have been champ during this period where Conor was champ when he'd been KO'd by Conor 2 years prior?
He was also getting KO'd by Johnson and going life and death with Eddie here which is why he wasn't getting title shots here either until Tony gave up another fake interim title against a FW of all people and he got it as the backup.