International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[whougonnacall]

You can't supply a city the size of Aleppo with tunnels. Wars are as much about morale as anything else, and the rebels are in disarray. Their supporters in the west are diminishing with each terrorist attack.

Let's not forget that the rebels aren't really winning anywhere right now. Even the pockets in Damascus are being whittled down in a big way. They are losing their farmland and if they lose soon then tens of thousands of troops will be freed up.

Iraq is pounding ISIS left right and centre. I wonder where those battle hardened milita will head next.

Which is odd as most of the smaller areas in damascus have had their farmlands burned ages ago and still smuggle enough in to survive
And until recent refocus by russian airforce the rebels had almost won back all the aleppo pre russian intervention land

Yes and letd not forget the battle hardened sunnis either and whatevers left of isis
One of those weapon cashes in rebels hands could alter the course of the war

 

[whougonnacall]

There are tons of Syrians on the frontlines in Aleppo. IRGC only have a strong presence in the southern part where rebels bled themselves dry retaking strategically useless villages they lost a few months before.

Hillary and Erdogan can't do shit, it's too late for that. They can scale up their arms support but with Russians in the sky it's going to be useless. There hasn't been talk about an no-fly zone in years because nobody is going to risk WW3 over Syria.

Yeah loads of native syrians lol
Afghans iranians and iraqis u mean...shit even assads close quarters unit is iranian these days

Perhaps u missed the debates where hilary literaly told us she was doing no fly zones....ww3? Ur kidding
putin isnt gonna risk death for assad or even the prospect of a humiliating small scale clash(and lets be honest itd be a humbling hed get if the us airforce felt like it)
Telling the southern front to go back tl all oit assault alone would be a game changer before u even talk letting the leash of weapons supplies

 

[Fronk]

Never change buddy

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Kurdistans economy is suffering greatly right now which sucks. They need far more international support than they're getting.

A hero from Virginia just got back from fighting alongside the Kurds. So jealous.

https://m.reddit.com/r/rva/comments...uly_18/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

 

[carlos cadona]

A YPG soldier posing for a picture with a group of SAA soldiers in Aleppo, this is the friendliest they've ever been with each other.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coeg84GVIAA4cXF.jpg

 

[Sauron]

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Yeah loads of native syrians lol
Afghans iranians and iraqis u mean...shit even assads close quarters unit is iranian these days

Perhaps u missed the debates where hilary literaly told us she was doing no fly zones....ww3? Ur kidding
putin isnt gonna risk death for assad or even the prospect of a humiliating small scale clash(and lets be honest itd be a humbling hed get if the us airforce felt like it)
Telling the southern front to go back tl all oit assault alone would be a game changer before u even talk letting the leash of weapons supplies

You are delusional and sounding desperate.

Are you even following this war anymore. Do you realise how bad it's looking for the rebels right now? There's going 5 or 6 more months of this; and that's going to be catastrophic for them.

 

[whougonnacall]

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You are delusional and sounding desperate.

Are you even following this war anymore. Do you realise how bad it's looking for the rebels right now? There's going 5 or 6 more months of this; and that's going to be catastrophic for them.

Worst case after prolonged siege aleppo falls....did idibs fall break the regime ? Did homs break the rebels? What about both sides losing raqqua?

 

[Sauron]

Worst case after prolonged siege aleppo falls....did idibs fall break the regime ? Did homs break the rebels? What about both sides losing raqqua?

If aleppo falls the war is won. So yes it will be the beginning of the end there. Literally tens of thousands of troops and resource will be freed up for other fronts.

It's not like the rebels are doing particularly great anywhere. The pockets in Damascus are shrinking every day and could be finished in the next year. Then all the troops from there will be freed up.

Everything looks bad for the rebels right now. Even you must concede that. That's why you are banking on Clinton or Erdogan. Even then the likelihood of a no fly zone is minimal. Russia and SAA are already moving against that by opening up civilian corridors. In 6 months time any one left will either be considered a fighter or a hostage.

 

[whougonnacall]

If aleppo falls the war is won. So yes it will be the beginning of the end there. Literally tens of thousands of troops and resource will be freed up for other fronts.

It's not like the rebels are doing particularly great anywhere. The pockets in Damascus are shrinking every day and could be finished in the next year. Then all the troops from there will be freed up.

Everything looks bad for the rebels right now. Even you must concede that. That's why you are banking on Clinton or Erdogan. Even then the likelihood of a no fly zone is minimal. Russia and SAA are already moving against that by opening up civilian corridors. In 6 months time any one left will either be considered a fighter or a hostage.

For aleppo to fall would involve a prolonged siege or a full on attack that would be so costly whats left of the regimes foriegn legion couldnt take an outhouse. ....tens of thousands? What part of crippling manpower shortages confuses u?

Thats the same rebels who couldnt stop winning and had the regime,hez and iran on life support before russian intervention yes?
You understand how daft it looks to say anythings over with literaly 100s of thosuands of rebels still alive and armed and in various areas over the country, massive isis weaponry cashes and manpower up for grabs , a free flowing military sitution , rebels in north aligning and southern ones waking up , deir el zour needing recent iraqi reinforcement to survive , 1000s of armed sunni tribesmen of dubious loyalty and the outside powers situation altering(ie edrogan rejecting west and going more islamist and hilary incomming wanting 'reset' on syria) and of course the increasing guerilla war in lakita and occupied damascus by both sunni and alawite groups.

 

[Sauron]

For aleppo to fall would involve a prolonged siege or a full on attack that would be so costly whats left of the regimes foriegn legion couldnt take an outhouse. ....tens of thousands? What part of crippling manpower shortages confuses u?

Thats the same rebels who couldnt stop winning and had the regime,hez and iran on life support before russian intervention yes?
You understand how daft it looks to say anythings over with literaly 100s of thosuands of rebels still alive and armed and in various areas over the country, massive isis weaponry cashes and manpower up for grabs , a free flowing military sitution , rebels in north aligning and southern ones waking up , deir el zour needing recent iraqi reinforcement to survive , 1000s of armed sunni tribesmen of dubious loyalty and the outside powers situation altering(ie edrogan rejecting west and going more islamist and hilary incomming wanting 'reset' on syria) and of course the increasing guerilla war in lakita and occupied damascus by both sunni and alawite groups.

Aleppo is sieged right now. They can just wait while the rebels starve. The advantage is massively is favour of the SAA. They have had major progress almost on a daily basis - hence the siege.

You live in a fantasy land where wishful thinking trumps facts.

Apparently the good work in aleppo is down to ghostly apparitions and not thousands of troops.

Man power shortages doesn't mean no man power. There are tens of thousands of troops still fighting in the areas around aleppo and damascus. The rebels have their own man power shortages as they throw their men into the meat grinder.

Rebel morale is an an all time low, and is only going to get worse. You still haven't pointed out anywhere where the rebels are winning.

 

[carlos cadona]

Link dump.
Aleppo:




http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Aleppo-30-July-2016.jpg
Daraa:

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/759434403915427840
https://twitter.com/khalidtrabulsi/status/759400840222404608

 

[whougonnacall]

Aleppo is sieged right now. They can just wait while the rebels starve. The advantage is massively is favour of the SAA. They have had major progress almost on a daily basis - hence the siege.

You live in a fantasy land where wishful thinking trumps facts.

Apparently the good work in aleppo is down to ghostly apparitions and not thousands of troops.

Man power shortages doesn't mean no man power. There are tens of thousands of troops still fighting in the areas around aleppo and damascus. The rebels have their own man power shortages as they throw their men into the meat grinder.

Rebel morale is an an all time low, and is only going to get worse. You still haven't pointed out anywhere where the rebels are winning.

They could have a long wait and things can change a lot in that time esp with this war

The progress is down to massive russian airpower bombing alone and even then its had masive reverses in the past few months ..ur delusional if you cant remember why russia had to rescue the regime and allies not so long ago

No one is denying this hasnt been a big upswing for the iranian ground forces and an impressive display of russias new toys but its day dreaming to say this is close to over.

 

[aus101]

Aleppo is sieged right now. They can just wait while the rebels starve. The advantage is massively is favour of the SAA. They have had major progress almost on a daily basis - hence the siege.

You live in a fantasy land where wishful thinking trumps facts.

Apparently the good work in aleppo is down to ghostly apparitions and not thousands of troops.

Man power shortages doesn't mean no man power. There are tens of thousands of troops still fighting in the areas around aleppo and damascus. The rebels have their own man power shortages as they throw their men into the meat grinder.

Rebel morale is an an all time low, and is only going to get worse. You still haven't pointed out anywhere where the rebels are winning.

Are modern campaigns fought ww1 attrition style? I am curious to the form modern warfare takes. It seems armoured vehicles take on light infrantry and machine gun/sniper positions while air support goes to the nations backed by the west (who have compete air superiority).

 

[Videer]

Russian Mi-8AMTSh downed/shot down in southern Aleppo killing all 5 on board.

Yesterday also saw the start of a big push by Nusra led Army of Conquest to open up a corridor to besieged Aleppo starting with two big SVBIEDs.

 

[whougonnacall]

Russian Mi-8AMTSh downed/shot down in southern Aleppo killing all 5 on board.

Yesterday also saw the start of a big push by Nusra led Army of Conquest to open up a corridor to besieged Aleppo starting with two big SVBIEDs.

Siege all but eliminated, huge rebel gains (open ground though so russian airforce could still stop or roll back)
'Artillery school ' building complex last roadblock..its fall will remove siege and make the siege forces the besieged!
Rumours are its already been penetrated (giggity)

So after russias breathtaking displays of airpower , the painstaking co ordination of iraqis,iranian ,afghan,hezbollah and assad local forces for months with that rolling wall of air powerand russin sf and the cream of their weaponry ....all almost undone in one night of rebel unity!!


Isis declared possesion of khasser in southern aleppo contested by regime and is unconfirmed ,may have just been huge oppertunistic smash and grab for weapons


All talk of no western control of any significant moderate rebel force dies too
20-30k southern front of fsa under orders from u.s controlled moc sits out combined rebel offensive without a peep! Other groups understandably cross with the apparent betrayal
The group to be fair is far far more reliant on western aid than most

 

[Videer]

JF T-62 action from the ongoing southern Aleppo offensive.

 

[RIPWarrior]

 

[MicroBrew]

So Al Nusra the official Al Qaeda group in Syria is officially claiming to sever ties with Al Qaeda and AQ has given its blessing.

This is just a PR move , so the West doesn't proscribe it. Pakistani Sunni militant groups do this all the time, i.e. change names to escape legal proscription. A leopard can't get rid of its spots ; Al Nusra is not suddenly going to forgo Sunni Jihadi ideology.

 

[whougonnacall]

So Al Nusra the official Al Qaeda group in Syria is officially claiming to sever ties with Al Qaeda and AQ has given its blessing.

This is just a PR move , so the West doesn't proscribe it. Pakistani Sunni militant groups do this all the time, i.e. change names to escape legal proscription. A leopard can't get rid of its spots ; Al Nusra is not suddenly going to forgo Sunni Jihadi ideology.

Its a clever move though itl be interesting to see how the u.s now frames any arguments for bombing them let alone restraining sa and qatar from arming them as 'just another rebel force'.


Side note twitter pics comming in of downed russian choppers rocket pods....lol like anyone bought the humanatarian aid b.s

 

[MicroBrew]

Its a clever move though itl be interesting to see how the u.s now frames any arguments for bombing them let alone restraining sa and qatar from arming them as 'just another rebel force'.


Side note twitter pics comming in of downed russian choppers rocket pods....lol like anyone bought the humanatarian aid b.s

I read an article that said Nusra rebranding itself helps Russia because now Nusra is free to more overtly join with other rebels and Russia has a better excuse to bomb the other rebels while bombing Al Nusra ; since no one is going to buy Nusra as moderate so they will get targetted anyways.