Existence Is Punishment: Grappling Strong

[golvmopp]

Say hello to the other side once you leave humanity behind, homeslice

 

[Flash_Monsta]

Might as well just go full blown cell tech cycle and get fuarking hyooge. Your balls will look like almonds but your penis will be like a baseball bat...

..so I've heard.

 

[TehWeak1]

You said penis!

 

[Flash_Monsta]

You said penis!

 

[Obscure Terror]

Thanks guys.

Honestly I can't see added AAS any time, but I'm excited to see if I feel "normal" again. I'm not sure I even know what "normal" is.

Ball shrinkage is likely to happen; will probably be prescribed HCG if that is a concern. It isn't lol.

 

[Flash_Monsta]

Not like you stuff your bollocks up a girls vag hole though, isit? So who needs them.

 

[Obscure Terror]

Exactly. Plus if they're small then she can get them both in her mouth while I slap her forehead with my Johnson.

 

[Obscure Terror]

03/11/2016

Hamstring Curls
20kgx10
30kgx10
40kgx10
50kgx10

Hamstring Curls - Single Leg
15kgx3x10

45° Leg Press - Single Leg
Sledx10
20kgx10
40kgx10
60kgx3x10

Overhead Tricep Extension Press
Barx10
5kgx8
10kgx5
12.5kgx3x8

Paused Front Squat
Barx5
40kgx5
60kgx10

Facepulls
40kgx20, 15, 15, 15

Cable Curls
40kgx4x8

Straight Arm Lat Pulldowns
25kgx4x15

Tricep Pressdowns
25kgx4x10

• Definitely an assistance day

 

[golvmopp]

Thanks guys.

Honestly I can't see added AAS any time, but I'm excited to see if I feel "normal" again. I'm not sure I even know what "normal" is.

Ball shrinkage is likely to happen; will probably be prescribed HCG if that is a concern. It isn't lol.

Enjoy the massive cum loads broski.

 

[Obscure Terror]

So, TRT update. Consultant today was extremely knowledgeable, apparently he works with athletes a lot and specialises in older guys who used to use steroids and now need TRT due to prior abuse. We had a 45 minute talk about everything and basically I am going to be on 150mg per week to start, self injected over 2 injections. I have to come in for blood tests once a month for 3 months to see how things are progressing and make tweaks. I should end up on the high end of normal with no need for any other drugs like tamoxifen etc.

He was happy for me to self inject after I went over taking my own blood, draining my cauli ears etc, and he doesn't like to use gels or patches as he said your levels rollercoaster too much. He wrote me a prescription and I pick it up tomorrow along with needles and barrels. He gave me some leaflets with information but it was all standard stuff really.So yeah, I got very lucky.

Interestingly we went over medical history and the fact I had a cyst on my right testicle for a few years that was removed a while back, and then a varicocele on my left testicle that was fixed 2.5 years ago, may have suppressed my levels all through my 20's hence why I'm low now.

Balls.

/lulz

 

[golvmopp]

Sheeeit man. I've always been fascinated by the subject, and perplexed by the seemingly ever-expanding male demographic in need of TRT. In your case there does seem to be a medical history that has resulted in supressed testosterone production - I'm curious to know what other historical causes lie behind certain individuals' decisions to go for TRT.

Keep us updated as the process goes along homeslice!

 

[Obscure Terror]

From what he was saying, stress, depression and dietary deficiencies are the other factors. Vitamin D, Zinc, Magnesium and "good fats" are all required to maximise natural production. The other two aren't as clear cut, as low T causes depression...and depression causes low T. So once you're "in the hole" so to speak then it gets harder to get out and the effects snowball in a holistic fashion. High bodyfat causes low T, but having low T makes it harder to lose bodyfat etc.

He said there is a chance I could get my levels up for a while, lose some bodyfat and focus on sleep, and later down the line reduce or eliminate the treatment to try and kickstart production again.

He has a guy in his early 40's who came in at 33 with 130ng/dl, took TRT for 4 years and then reduced down. He has a natural level of average 520ng/dl now and just takes a mild AI to stop estrogen conversion. So it isn't necessarily a lifetime thing either.

 

[golvmopp]

He has a guy in his early 40's who came in at 33 with 130ng/dl, took TRT for 4 years and then reduced down. He has a natural level of average 520ng/dl now and just takes a mild AI to stop estrogen conversion. So it isn't necessarily a lifetime thing either.

This is some really interesting shit. Would be awesome to know what started his endogenous climb towards a normal, more balanced level!

 

[Obscure Terror]

It could be anything. If the guy is working 60 hour weeks, sleeing 5 hours a night and smoking/drinking, if he removes those negative effects then who knows what would happen long-term. Our society of long hours, high stress jobs and "go go go" mentality are all things that can wreck us, and hormone function is one of those things that takes a hit. I don't think most people notice because most people don't even lift.

 

[golvmopp]

I'm just surprised people don't adress those things first, prior to going the TRT route. Like you said, T-levels and mental predisposition follow suit in a complex chicken-and-egg-manner, I just had no idea that people sometimes used TRT as a kickstarter to get the ball rolling before adressing all the other things. Most probably that's because "excessive testosterone" is literally viewed as a public hazard in Sweden. (Literally was taught that that's the swedish state's official stance in a drug abuse course)

 

[Obscure Terror]

05/11/2016

Hamstring Curls
10gx10
20gx10
30gx10
40gx5
50gx5
57.5gx3

Single Leg Hamstring Curls
15kgx10
20kgx10
25kgx10

Low Bar Squat
Barx3x5
70kgx1
70kgx1 *belt
100kgx1*
120kgx1*
135kgx1*
145kgx1*
155kgx1*
130kgx5*

Bench
Barx15, 10, 5
60kgx5
80kgx1
97.5kgx4x5

SLDL
70kgx2x2
100kgx1
120kgx1
140kgx1
125kgx5

• Decent. 155kg felt heavyish but moved very well. Didn't fuck about between sets
• Bench was good, only rep 5 slowed down on each set
• SLDL 140kg is a PR, only slight hammy pain on first set and back position was way better this time

Picked up prescription also, first jab went well. Bled a bit but didn't hurt, did my glute (I am supposed to alternate between each glute and deltoids). Tiny bit of burning pain and that was it.

 

[Obscure Terror]

I'm just surprised people don't adress those things first, prior to going the TRT route. Like you said, T-levels and mental predisposition follow suit in a complex chicken-and-egg-manner, I just had no idea that people sometimes used TRT as a kickstarter to get the ball rolling before adressing all the other things. Most probably that's because "excessive testosterone" is literally viewed as a public hazard in Sweden. (Literally was taught that that's the swedish state's official stance in a drug abuse course)

To be fair that is only one example I have heard of where it was done in that manner. I agree with you; in almost all cases I would imagine lifestyle factors are the first step.

I have heard that Sweden have gone too far with that kind of thing. It's quite sad as I think the Scandinavian countries do a lot of things right, but infringing on personal freedoms is a byproduct of that. I can see the logic; state healthcare is good and paid for, so if you are a health burden then you are letting your society down. But then there is a huge difference between running TRT doses and actively cycling compounds like Tren, Deca, Dianabol etc. You have to look at the science.

One thing that is interesting is that general testosterone levels have dropped over the past 40 years, but that isn't universal - rural populations have noticed little difference and in fact older men in those rural areas have much closer levels to younger men in a similar geographic location. This suggests urban living is detrimental to testosterone levels, for some reason that no one has figured out yet.

 

[Obscure Terror]

06/11/2016

Hamstring Curls
20kgx10
30kgx10
40kgx10

Hamstring Curls - Single Leg
15kgx10
25kgx10
30kgx5

45° Leg Press - Single Leg
Sledx10
25kgx10
45kgx10
65kgx3x10

Overhead Tricep Extension Press
Barx10
10kgx5
15kgx3x8

Front Squat
Barx2x5
40kgx1
60kgx1
80kgx1
100kgx1
110kgx1

Facepulls
50kgx4x10

Facecurls
20kgx4x10

• Another assistance day. Tom said I could either work up to a 1RM on front squat or do 65kgx10 paused - I chose the 1RM. However I think I may have already done 110kg front squat, as this was relatively easy - although I would like it to look cleaner

 

[Obscure Terror]

08/11/2016

Low Bar Squat
Barx3x5
60kgx3
80kgx1 *belt
100kgx1*
120kgx1*
132.5kgx1*
140kgx1*
132.5kgx5*

Bench
Barx15, 10, 5
60kgx5
80kgx1
97.5kgx5x5

SLDL
60kgx5
100kgx3
125kgx1
145kgx1
130kgx5

Hamstring Curls
15kgx10
25kgx10
35kgx10
45kgx4x8

Single Leg Hamstring Curls
15kgx3x10

• Everything felt good. The 132.5kgx5 squat felt super light
• Benching was moderate, used compression cuffs as gym was freezing
• Felt hamstring on SLDL backoff set but didn't hurt after - maybe it was "working" it

 

[Obscure Terror]

10/11/2016

45° Leg Press - Single Leg
Sledx10
25kgx10
45kgx10
65kgx3x10

Overhead Tricep Extension Press
Barx10
10kgx5
15kgx3x8

Paused Front Squat
Barx3x5
40kgx1
55kgx1
65kgx10

Hamstring Curls
15kgx10
25kgx8
35kgx5
45kgx5
57.5kgx4x6

Chest Rows
52kgx3x15

• Assistance day made brutal by the cold. But I'm off work until Tuesday at least