Dick's and Walmart Are Being Sued for Age Discrimination re Gun Sales

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  1. Yorkist

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    Because this is where we're at as a society. People can't accept 'no' and just go somewhere else. They have to get the government involved.

    When I worked in a gas station as a kid, one day, it was really busy and a guy pulled up front bumper to front bumper on a lady's car because his fuel tank filler was in the other side. She would have to back out so he could pull in and not risk having someone snake his turn (it was super busy and shit like that was happening already). The lady refused to back out and called 911. The cops had to come and sort it out.

    At the time that was outrageous, but now it's par for the course.
     
  2. PainIsLIfe

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    I don't believe that's true. At the time of the incident, I remarked that a cake is a wedding cake and so long as the baker didn't have to be part of the event then they should have made it.
     
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    i would like to know who is for businesses being able to choose not to make a cake for a gay couple but against walmart being able to raise the age required to buy a gun. and for those who are, how can you justify it?
     
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    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Bumping these excellent posts so they'll float above the Left vs. Right bullshit permeating in this thread.

    I don't give a shit what the dumb partisan fucks on the Left and the Right think. It's all about what's legal and illegal according to the law. That's what should be discussed here.

    In this case, Dick's and Walmart are going to pay for clearly violating the law.
     
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    And it's not like either of those businesses has some sort of monoploy on Ar-15s, or that they're saying they should be illegal OR even that they're refusing to sell them. They're saying that they, as a private business with rights to exercise their own will over their own business, aren't going to sell these rifles to anyone under 21. That's perfectly fine. They have elected to eat the loss of revenue created by that decision. That's how capitalism works.
     
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  7. Trotsky

    Trotsky Social Capitalist / Capitalistic Communist

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    No, they don't.

    I don't understand gun nuts' obsession with equating firearms to automobiles in analogies, but I assure you that they are different devices, with different utilities. In the end, everything is a balancing game, and there isn't any express incompatibility.
     
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    OK, then by this same rationale the Christian bakers must bake cakes for gay customers because refusing to IS straight up discrimination and there are laws in place preventing anyone from discriminating against another person because of their sexual orientation.
     
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    I wasn't for the baker, but I'd be against forcing any business to take part if it was becoming part of the wedding - ie film/photograph the wedding and reception, cater the event, dj - if they hold religious views against gay marriage.

    And I'm certainly against arbitrarily picking what age you think someone can or can't legally buy something that the law has allowed.

    To put it another way - the left would flip if CVS and Walmart decided that they wouldn't sell condoms to anyone under 45.
     
  10. PainIsLIfe

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    The baker did the same thing (gay instead of age) - and got sued and lost in court.

    You can't decide that you don't like non-discrimination laws when you agree with the discrimination that's happening.
     
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    age discrimination - check
    anti-discrimination law on the books - check

    Yep, they got a case.
     
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    Yes, the court already decided that case and sided with the plaintiffs.
     
  13. Trotsky

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    (1) That's not age discrimination. Age discrimination in American law only applies to people 40 years or older. We have expansive judicial precedent for disparate legal treatment based on youth.
    (2) That anti-discrimination law is unrelated to this subject.
     
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    Which is fucking retarded IMO.
     
  15. Dolomite

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    To be clear, it's not a specific firearm or type that they are refusing to sell to >21- no, its any firearm or ammunition.

    I can certainly see why you feel the need to obfuscate that particular detail tho.
     
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    stop talking about some gay cake.
     
  17. Trotsky

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    Not if you study the history of the law. It's an employment discrimination law, and it was never meant to apply to kids-- who were, at that time, completely unrepresented in policy making.

    I think that the country that actually done a pretty good job handling the legal transition from adolescent to adult, especially when you consider the huge cultural divides between rural and metropolitan American on the issue (rural America wants to keep them young and stupid, while also being able to bang them; liberal America wants to treat them like sovereign adults re sex ed and the realities of the world, except for not allowing them the ability to consent).

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 16 or 14. But, other than that, I think the country has done fairly well. It wasn't until the social media age that minors even really aggregated any meaningful political voice.
     
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    That's EEOC. Many states have their own anti-discrimination laws and Michigan said not renting to a 19 yr old is discrimination.

    Don't think they'll be able to put that genie back in the bottle.

    edit: the law was posted:

    Except where permitted by law, a person shall not:


    (a) Deny an individual the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation or public service [which includes retailers -EV] because of religion, race, color, national origin, age, sex, or marital status.
     
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  19. Gregolian

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    Why 16 or 14? Need I remind you a ton of 14-16 year olds thought eating Tide Pods was a good idea or a couple years ago playing on train tracks while the train was coming was a good idea?
     
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  20. Trotsky

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    That genie didn't magically make a car a firearm.
     

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