You've just had evidence presented to you from 20 NBA S&C coaches, directly from the horses mouth, yet you disagree because reasons and you expect us to take your word for it. Someone who has no background in anything relevant and has never trained an athlete. Do you not see how delusonal this makes you seem?
Argumentum ad authority isn't really any good way to argue. If it was, I'd have finished the discussion by quoting Verkhoshansky, Bondarchuk, Zatsiorski, etc. all of which had and have a higher standing in the sports science world, being practically legends. I mean, how many Olympic champions in how many sports have those guys, or you, produced?
See how that goes? But it isn't an argument really. Not to mention you don't know at all who I am, while you (and your buttbuddy) think being a physio is something special. It isn't. I feel like arguing with a nurse, tbh.
Also, your claim that lower body forc and power, and hip extension/rotation force and power doesn't impact punching power is a pretty far out there statement. It's not a one to one transferability, and there's more than one way to generate power, but they certainly do matter. Are you saying you don't use leg drive and that increasing that drive doesn't create more power? Anyone with any knowledge of biomehanics and physics would know that's not true. This has been studied extensively in any and all throwing and batting sports, from golf, to baseball to shotput.
All of which have (well, almost) nothing to do with boxing. It's also not about leg drive per se - since that would very much depend on the strength of your legs. Punching doesn't.
Btw:
"Strength and Power Qualities Are Highly Associated With Punching Impact in Elite Amateur Boxers."
"Predicting punching acceleration from selected strength and power variables in elite karate athletes: a multiple regression analysis."
See? You found them. As I said, I disagree with those studies (among others).
Nothing is certainly set in stone, and there's so many factors that contribute, and again it depends on the individual. Some are very strong, but slow, other are very fast but weak. Also, the biomehanics of the drills, power and strength work has to be taken into consideration, not to mention the history of the athlete.
Actually, there are many things set in stone. People are individuals, but not that much. It's just that most of what people know - and I'm pretty sure most of what you learned, because quite a while ago, I had to learn the same, wrong things - is wrong, plain and simple. And it was quite a leap for me to accept that in the beginning, but it makes sense after a while.
I'm not a "max strength" kinda guy at all. It's just a tool, that may or may not be useful. Nothing beats technique, biomechanics and kinetic efficiency.
I can agree with that, at least.
Dude, you are the one that said "weighted jumps are basically the same as oly lifting". You are saying that your feet leaving the ground on a jump constitutes a "loaded movement". That's completely asinine. You then try to prove your point by saying a punch isn't a loaded movement under your definition because "it's a lost easier to punch 200 times than do 200 pushups". Well I'd like you to see me jump rope sometime, because I sure as hell can do 200 jumps quicker than 200 punches. Yet a jump is a "loaded movement" under your definition, and a punch isn't? You are just trying to save face because you contradicted yourself in your own post saying oly lifting helps jumping, but then later saying loaded movement can't help a non-loaded movement.
If you can do 200 rope jumps quicker than 200 punches, then you're in the wrong sport. Maybe try wearing a little skirt and join the girls down the street. Should be up your alley.
And you're apparently intellectually challenged too, the way you skittle around the argument and invent all kinds of new ones.
I said an Oly lift is pretty much the same movement as a jump. Which is obviously true, I could look up some quotes for that, but I hope you're not so stupid you don't see that (not sure though, lemme know, kid). Then you equate a jump with rope skipping. At which point I think you're trolling or literally retarded. Will you include the phrase "jumping to conclusions" next? We can only wait in shivering anticipation. And yes, a jump is a loaded movement and a punch or kick isn't. I'm wondering why you have such a hard time understanding that - better wear a headgear from now on.
And lol at trying to act like you are so familiar with oly lifters training, NBA training, and then fight training. Trying a bit too hard to win the internet today?
I understand you have some trouble recognizing that different people lead different lives. Or maybe you're just full of s*it.