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So pretty much every thread is a war room thread
I mean it all depends. Factors like which athlete are we dealing with, what is the task that needs to be done and where does both of those things exist on the force-velocity curve. Then you have another factor of sport/biomechanic specific vs not. No doubt that olympic lifts are amazing, and as far as strength-speed goes it's hard to match.
Really? How come?Hey, I authored a thread about Force-Velocity and Specificity and was treated like a troll! What the heck? Haha.
Really? How come?
ITT: Stuff You Won’t Do Because You Don’t Know How
Again, it depends entirely on the task and the athlete.
Verkhoshansky, and after that Yessis, has done some great work on plyometrics and the SSC, but it's not the holy grail of exercise science, nor does it have to be. Yes oly lifts have a great carryover to vertical jumping because of the loading schemes and biomechanics (triple extension), but various other exercises including plyometrics, supramaximal/assisted jumps, various squat/trapbar jumps and even increasing MVC seperately has been shown in the literature to improve vertical to the same degree. The key is finding out what your athlete needs.
Btw, maximum power as in watt, is a measure of velocity x force. This most often peaks around 30-40% of 1RM, but it's probably trainable within 20-80% 1RM to some degree. However, sticking with the vertical jump as an example, power is not the only factor. The balance of the two variables, force and velocity, matters equally. In some cases, velocity training, even supramaximal velocity training (which cannot be done with olympic lifts) is more important, in others increase MVC is more important. Morin et al have done some really interesting stuff recently showing that power can stay the same, while vertical can improve, as long as the balance between the two are more evenly matched to the persons ability. If you really want to know, you can check these two out:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...iles_for_Individualized_and_Specific_Training
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ed_on_Force-Velocity_Profiling_during_Jumping
I'd highly recommend JB Morin and Samozino for this, they are doing some excellent work right now.
Further, biomechanics matter. Olympic lifting might improve power in punching as well, but it's more geared toward upward and forward momentum, depending on how you modify the exercises. I use them as well, but more for the right hand transfer and only applicable for a specific point on the force-velocity curve. There's no hip rotation which is a downside, and you can't do supramaximal velocity work with it as well. Luckely, there's plenty of other training tools including medballs and bands.
Underlying conditions aside, you shouldn’t get hurt doing an exercise unless your form sucks or you try to go too heavy.I don't think that is a fair assessment. Every case is different. Underlying conditions could legitimately keep you from participating in something.
From personal experience, I have done everything as it pertained to sport, rec, or job duties. Over the years because of injuries, and amassing a wide range of doc notes in my file I avoid some things. Now I can do them, but I pick and choose what I do or don't based on my circumstances. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not so much. lol
For example, I have cartilage damage in my knee (MRI confirmed) and when I was performing back squats my knee buckled as I was in the concentric phase of the lift. This was not as much embarrassing as it was potentially dangerous. I was able to regain control, but I was unstable, my knee was in pain and I was admittedly worried.
It's not always a matter of knowledge. Some stuff is just not a good recommendation for you.
Yes. I was treated as a troll. I was raising the stance some S&C researchers like Jeremy Loenecke take on specificity. His argument used was that lifting heavy makes you slow. Want to sprint fast or faster? Practice sprinting faster was his declaration. Even Stuart McGill the spine guru who likes MMA and studied fighters like GSP and I think even BJ Penn stated in passing the concept of relaxation and impulse. Impulse is Force divided by a small time interval.
People get irate over everything. Just look at this thread devolve into semantics.
Underlying conditions aside, you shouldn’t get hurt doing an exercise unless your form sucks or you try to go too heavy.
I’m more referring to the big 3 lifts. If an idiot gets hurt doing one legged overhead squats on a BOSU ball, no one to blame but themselves.Yes, or you're doing something dumb from a biomechanics stand point which would lead to form being an issue as you noted. The stuff people come up with in the gym sometimes is very interesting, especially stuff I've seen in regards to hyperextension and load. lol
Specificity is definitely a thing. If you want to read more, check out this for a brief summary: https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/perspectives/just-get-strong-is-wrong/Yes. I was treated as a troll. I was raising the stance some S&C researchers like Jeremy Loenecke take on specificity. His argument used was that lifting heavy makes you slow. Want to sprint fast or faster? Practice sprinting faster was his declaration. Even Stuart McGill the spine guru who likes MMA and studied fighters like GSP and I think even BJ Penn stated in passing the concept of relaxation and impulse. Impulse is Force divided by a small time interval.
People get irate over everything. Just look at this thread devolve into semantics.
I was raising the stance some S&C researchers like Jeremy Loenecke take on specificity. His argument used was that lifting heavy makes you slow. Want to sprint fast or faster? Practice sprinting faster was his declaration.