Your Bantamweight champion everyone

[Paolo Delutis]

Consider This: The entire combat world understands what I'm saying, and has done so for decades. Even a Century.

The fact that "you" do not, is an indication of your incredible denseness, and that's all that it is.

/ of debate.

Maybe prize fighting...has become that way

But many Martial Art competitions are same day as the event weigh ins ...and nobody's cutting 25lbs to fight the same day...

So consider that... MIXED MARTIAL ARTS.. derives from Martial Arts where weight classes are actually followed... because its Honorable to do so...

But yet again Money had to ruin things...

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Maybe prize fighting...has become that way

But many Martial Art competitions are same day as the event weigh ins ...and nobody's cutting 25lbs to fight the same day...

So consider that... MIXED MARTIAL ARTS.. derives from Martial Arts where weight classes are actually followed... because its Honorable to do so...

But yet again Money had to ruin things...

Has everyone in the PARADE of combat "out-of-step" with reality, for decades/centuries?

Or are you the one in the "parade" ... who is out-of-step with reality ... and who can't grasp a simple concept?

 

[RonDante]

If o malley was 175 pounds fighting guys weighing around 150 I’d call him a weight bully, but there’s a video of him on the scales before UFC 292 weighing 157 while holding a 12 pack of those happy dad drinks, so he’s around 150 also

 

[RockyLockridge]

He makes the weight, and everyone cuts weight.

exactly there is no issue, the playing field is leveled all around.

We'll talk when he starts missing weight.

 

[THEfightsAREfixed]

The logical and best explanation for the reality of the situation is that after the weight cutting process you are essentially the most water-restricted possible and since people vary widely on the amount of water they aren their bodies, that the weight cutting creates the most even playing field possible based on how much total body mass (minus water) you have. Meaning that after you have eliminated as much water as possible, how much muscle and bones mass do you possess? And the answer is where you should be fighting at.

Not sure honestly how this is hard to understand or contentious.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Weight cutting is a horse shit system. Everyone agrees with you on that, but what you're missing on people's disagreement is that you've put a tone of blaming the fighter or specifically Sean in this case, and that's wrong.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

The logical and best explanation for the reality of the situation is that after the weight cutting process you are essentially the most water-restricted possible and since people vary widely on the amount of water they aren their bodies, that the weight cutting creates the most even playing field possible based on how much total body mass (minus water) you have. Meaning that after you have eliminated as much water as possible, how much muscle and bones mass do you possess? And the answer is where you should be fighting at.

Not sure honestly how this is hard to understand or contentious.

What the fuck are you talking about...way to use so many words and say nothing at all..

If someones 159 lbs walking around and someone's 145lbs walking around and they both fight at 135lbs... ( Very likely situation BTW) ..the dude whos 159lbs is gunna have more muscle mass therefore have a considerable strength and power advantage over his opponent...as Muscle is mostly water, and dehydration or water cutting the act of drawing water out of those muscles (deflating them if you will) and then rehydrated ( inflating them) after you made weight...

When in reality... Your supposed to be fighting at 135lbs as the title suggests..

Its not the 159lbs championship belt...its the 135lbs championship belt...

Someone walking around at 159lbs shouldn't be competing at 135lbs... he's allowed to because hes taking advantage of the 24, hours between weigh in and fighting and there's currently no rules against it ...

If weigh ins were the same as fight day ... O'Malley would be fighting at 155... Which how most traditional Martial Art competitions are done...even Olympic wrestling is same day weigh in...

So it's absolutely gaming the system... And defying the point of weight classes..

Bring back open weight or its time to address this non sense

 

[THEfightsAREfixed]

What the fuck are you talking about...way to use so many words and say nothing at all..

If someones 159 lbs walking around and someone's 145lbs walking around and they both fight at 135lbs... ( Very likely situation BTW) ..the dude whos 159lbs is gunna have more muscle mass therefore have a considerable strength and power advantage over his opponent...as Muscle is mostly water, and dehydration or water cutting the act of drawing water out of those muscles (deflating them if you will) and then rehydrated ( inflating them) after you made weight...

When in reality... Your supposed to be fighting at 135lbs as the title suggests..

Its not the 159lbs championship belt...its the 135lbs championship belt...

Someone walking around at 159lbs shouldn't be competing at 135lbs... he's allowed to because hes taking advantage of the 24, hours between weigh in and fighting and there's currently no rules against it ...

If weigh ins were the same as fight day ... O'Malley would be fighting at 155... Which how most traditional Martial Art competitions are done...even Olympic wrestling is same day weigh in...

So it's absolutely gaming the system... And defying the point of weight classes..

Bring back open weight or its time to address this non sense

you are saying people 135lbs should fight people 265lbs ? maybe its better to say nothing at all than be a total retard

 

[Paolo Delutis]

you are saying people 135lbs should fight people 265lbs ? maybe its better to say nothing at all than be a total retard

No im saying whats the point of weight classes if everyone is not the weight it says on the tag..

Atleast with open weight nobody has to lie or pretend their a bantamweight when there really a light weight..they just come as they are and knuckle up...

Genius....

Does it make sense a guy who's 159lbs is the 136lbs champion...that sentence doesnt make sense in any language...its a contradiction...

 

[Typrune Goatley]

I am not an O'Malley fan. I really don't like the guy.

But if you ever boxed, wrestled or fought, you would know that any responsible coach is going to encourage you to fight at the lowest weight class possible to maximize your chances of success. No coach these days is going to allow someone to just fight at their walk around weight, because the fighters in that division are already cutting 20 pounds to get down. You always want to get as light as possible without sacrificing speed, power, cardio, etc. You fight where you can be most effective.

Now, yes, there were some greats throughout history that didn't always cut and even beat bigger guys like Sakuraba, BJ Penn, Frankie Edgar, Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva, Colby Covington, Randy Couture, Dan Henderson. Also Fedor and Nog could have probably made 205 but chose to fight the baddest HWs of all time. These guys are absolutely some of the best fighters of all time. They are a different breed.

So yes, these fearless fighters that fight bigger opponents get extra credit but I also don't hold it against O'Malley for fighting at 135. He is obviously most effective at that division. He wouldn't be as successful at 145. And that's okay because combat sports have several weight classes and everyone must find the most suitable division.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I am not an O'Malley fan. I really don't like the guy.

But if you ever boxed, wrestled or fought, you would know that any responsible coach is going to encourage you to fight at the lowest weight class possible to maximize your chances of success. No coach these days is going to allow someone to just fight at their walk around weight, because the fighters in that division are already cutting 20 pounds to get down. You always want to get as light as possible without sacrificing speed, power, cardio, etc. You fight where you can be most effective.

Now, yes, there were some greats throughout history that didn't always cut and even beat bigger guys like Sakuraba, BJ Penn, Frankie Edgar, Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva, Colby Covington, Randy Couture, Dan Henderson. Also Fedor and Nog could have probably made 205 but chose to fight the baddest HWs of all time. These guys are absolutely some of the best fighters of all time. They are a different breed.

So yes, these fearless fighters that fight bigger opponents get extra credit but I also don't hold it against O'Malley for fighting at 135. He is obviously most effective at that division. He wouldn't be as successful at 145. And that's okay because combat sports have several weight classes and everyone must find the most suitable division.

That's just a systematic problem your speaking too ..that can easily be fixed through regulation...


If the UFC adopted a change in policy that banned weight cuts or they did same day weigh ins...coachs and fighters would adjust...

I just dont get how this hasnt been handled yet , like the weight divisions are not functioning as their purpose intended...

We would likely have better fights as well with guys not killing themselves to make weight or spending 80% of there camps losing weight instead of becoming better more innovative fighters...

It doesnt make sense to have weight classes and no1 is actually that weight lol...who cares if your 135lbs on Friday morning if your fighting Saturday night...

 

[JKS]

Well there you have it ...out the horses mouth



How can these guys say this with a straight face..fully admitting he fights small people cuz he cant hang with guys his own actual size ...

This weight cutting culture has got to go some how .. there must be a solution..

This dude is walking around over the LW limit and is fighting at 135lbs..

Come on man...have some dignity or honor ...

You know the whole PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE thing. ..

I know..Sherdog be like but but but they all cut weight..or if he makes the weight then its allowed .

Pfft ..do better MMA world... Weight classes should actually mean what they say ... otherwise just remove em...
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Whatttt??? LOL, didn't you even hear what he said??

The whole point he made is that he can't fight at his natural weight class cause he'd be fighting guys like Gaethje and Olviera who are 175 to 180 who also cut weight and that no one can fight at their natural weight. He specifically said those two names. Everyone does cut weight to fight is lower classes, that's just the game. Sean doesn't have any advantage over his opponents. Look at his last opponent in Sterling who walks around at 170 lol. Where did he say he fights smaller people??

If you actually listend to more of the interview Omally talks about how he's sick of cutting weight and he would prefer to fight at his natrual weight. People should weigh on fight day and that's their weight. He cuts weight to fight guys his size, otherwise he would fight guys 20 lbs bigger.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

That's just a systematic problem your speaking too ..that can easily be fixed through regulation...


If the UFC adopted a change in policy that banned weight cuts or they did same day weigh ins...coachs and fighters would adjust...

I just dont get how this hasnt been handled yet , like the weight divisions are not functioning as their purpose intended...

We would likely have better fights as well with guys not killing themselves to make weight or spending 80% of there camps losing weight instead of becoming better more innovative fighters...

It doesnt make sense to have weight classes and no1 is actually that weight lol...who cares if your 135lbs on Friday morning if your fighting Saturday night...

Ok, true but that's an entirely different argument.

Combat sports have had weight classes and day before weigh ins for the last century.

If you want to adopt ONE FC's system then yes, that changes everything. O'Malley would be fighting at 145 but so would a lot of the other top bantamweights. Everyone would probably move up one weight class. The people that were cutting extreme amounts of weight (like a Khabib) may lose just a little bit of advantage at the next class up (if we are properly monitoring hydration levels and all that like ONE does) but then again, some guys might fight better at times like you say, because they would potentially have more strength and energy.

It would be very interesting and would definitely shake up all the divisions.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Ok, true but that's an entirely different argument.

Combat sports have had weight classes and day before weigh ins for the last century.

If you want to adopt ONE FC's system then yes, that changes everything. O'Malley would be fighting at 145 but so would a lot of the other top bantamweights. Everyone would probably move up one weight class. The people that were cutting extreme amounts of weight (like a Khabib) may lose just a little bit of advantage at the next class up (if we are properly monitoring hydration levels and all that like ONE does) but then again, some guys might fight better at times like you say, because they would potentially have more strength and energy.

It would be very interesting and would definitely shake up all the divisions.

Not combat sports...just western styled prize fighting .

Most martial art tournaments are same day weigh in ...the infrastructure is there already to apply it... Olympic wrestling is same day weigh in even ..

Every BJJ tournament ive done and won/lost it was same day weigh in Gi or No Gi...

It would just take the UFC addressing the issue ..which they refuse because no1s died yet unfortunately.. that's probably what it'll take which is sad for whoever that soul will be..

 

[JKS]

Here is exactly what Sean said, it seems like OP is spinning this around against him lol. He hates cutting weight and would prefer not to. But then you get stuck fighting guys 20-25 lbs bigger.

“I figured out weight cutting. I figured out how to change it,” O’Malley said on his podcast. “Same day weigh-ins. Like, I’m about to go walk out, I have to be this weight. Cause if I fought, if I didn’t cut weight, I would be a lightweight. I would fight Charles Oliveira. I would fight Islam Makhachev I’d fight Justin Gaethje… I don’t wanna do that. I’m a lightweight, dude. I’m a 155er. I walk around, never get above 160 [lbs].
“[Weight cuts are] just so stupid dude. So stupid. I catch myself thinking about it because I’m dieting. I basically went from fight camp to fight camp 12 weeks to 12 weeks fight camp. I’m f*cking sick of dieting. I feel great. But you just want a snack, but I can’t snack. Can’t f*cking eat extra little foods here and there. I can’t do it. I gotta make weight. Not that big of a deal. Could be worse, but it caught myself thinking. I’m like, why are we doing this to ourselves?”

 

[THEfightsAREfixed]

No im saying whats the point of weight classes if everyone is not the weight it says on the tag..

Atleast with open weight nobody has to lie or pretend their a bantamweight when there really a light weight..they just come as they are and knuckle up...

Genius....

Does it make sense a guy who's 159lbs is the 136lbs champion...that sentence doesnt make sense in any language...its a contradiction...

People have weight variation during the day or during the week.

How do you propose we measure a fighters size taking this weight variability into account without removing as much water as possible (the strongest determinant of weight variation) ?

Let’s hear it smart guy

 

[Brigfa2]

Be prepared for 1000 furious incel defenses of this guy

If you cant compete against guys your own height naturally , you should go find another sport to play

Stop crying manlet, there is no height classes. And learn new words, only words you know is incel

 

[TriangleMonkey]

The moment they made weight classes weight-cutting began

Wrestlers were the “originators” of weight-cutting for mma and kept the techniques secret early on

Others that would cross-train with wrestlers slowly caught on and the knowledge has spread over the decades

As someone who has cut weight for kickboxing and mma matches, I don’t see a problem with it, everyone will sacrifice something at the end of the day and cutting huge is known for cardio drains and strength dumps

 

[Brigfa2]

Well there you have it ...out the horses mouth



How can these guys say this with a straight face..fully admitting he fights small people cuz he cant hang with guys his own actual size ...

This weight cutting culture has got to go some how .. there must be a solution..

This dude is walking around over the LW limit and is fighting at 135lbs..

Come on man...have some dignity or honor ...

You know the whole PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE thing. ..

I know..Sherdog be like but but but they all cut weight..or if he makes the weight then its allowed .

Pfft ..do better MMA world... Weight classes should actually mean what they say ... otherwise just remove em...
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''You know the whole PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE thing. ..''
He is literally doing that lmao
Do you think Islam, Dustin and Charles walks around 155 lbs?

 

[Black Blood]

In any sport where you're required to weigh-in at a certain weight at a certain date, you're going to have weight cutting. No way around it. It'll only ever go away if you do true open weight, and that's a whole other problem.

If Sean can weigh in at 135lb... more power to him.