Movies Yoda was a can

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but Joe Louis at 67 fought Marciano.
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mixmastermo said:
Yoda was supposed to be this super powerful super wise Jedi Master..

Was he?

Let's go through the facts:

  • Is skittish about training Anakin until Obi Wan puts his foot down and says he's gonna do it anyway
  • Has no idea a clone army was being built under the order of one of his colleagues
  • His Padawan turns to the dark side
  • Has no idea Palpatine is a Sith Lord and just stands idly by while Palps rises to power
  • Loses in a fight to Palps once it is basically already too late (Order 66 had already been executed)
  • Exiles himself to a remote planet while the Empire dominates the galaxy and subjugates its citizens
  • Refuses to train Luke, the New Hope at first (basically relegating himself to losing)
  • Has no faith that Luke, his apprentice, can save his friends from danger and orders him to complete his training
  • Tells Luke the only way to become a Jedi and restore order to the galaxy is to kill his own father (thankfully, Luke found another way)
I'm calling it here and now. Yoda was a can and severely overrated.
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Meh his fight with Palpatine was pretty mutual at the end. Palps even noted Yoda was much more powerful than he’d originally thought. In fact Palpatine feared Windu for many years prior to making his move because he believed Windu was more powerful until Mace laughed at the idea of him being above Yoda when Palpatine casually mentions it
 
Another thing that's always bugged me

In episode 2 Anakin and the sand people have a disagreement. Somehow Yoda can sense the details of this argument from a planet far away from coruscant, beyond the outer rim....

But he can't smell the sith lord scheming to take over the Republic in broad daylight
 
HHJ said:
On the whole I found the Disney trilogy more rewatchable than the prequels...but the decision to bring back Palpatine killed the whole thing for me. Wow, that is the best you could come up with?
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It's not like that idea hasn't been successful in the EU...but there was a backstory and build up rather than "somehow Palpatine returned"... in the final episode of the triology...because....reasons...oh it also worked because they didn't kill off Luke fucking Skywalker....
 
fungi said:
The whole "Star wars" franchise is pop pseudo sci-fi. It's circus entertainment at best. The fact that it is beloved by the people just proves that it's garbage.
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Honestly though I think the idea that the worth of sci fi is in how "hard" it is is highly questionable, I would argue as a genre a massive part of its popularity has always been that it provides an interesting way to explore drama or politics rather than just make predictions about future technology.

Really as well Starwars never made much pretence at being "hard" for me, I think someone like Nolan arguebly does a lot more of that, Starwars was always much more fantasy in a space setting.

As blockbuster entertainment I do think Starwars has a decent amount of substance to it, the original you could argue shows Luke rejecting a conformist stay at home life for a mystical counter culture freedom fighter role whilst Leia "subverts expectations" before it was fashionable picking apart the damsel trope. By Empire and Jedi you have a story were its more than just defeating the badguy, Luke's expectation that it will be that is picked apart too and then its a story of rejecting anger in favour of forgiveness.

Its part of why Last Jedi fell on its ass the way it did, it was pretending the originals were something they weren't whilst nicking character arcs from them and redoing them much less effectively.
 
HUGHPHUG said:
Obi Wan was the ultimate can, stuck up little yes man with very little to offer anyone, ran off and into hiding and fucked about with whale meat or some shit. Fucking pussy
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Bra. He legit defeated Vader, the craziest villain in history x2. He sliced Darth Maul in half. He turned Grievous into scrap metal. He died on his terms pretty much. Obi Wan was a boss!!
 
HHJ said:
On the whole I found the Disney trilogy more rewatchable than the prequels...but the decision to bring back Palpatine killed the whole thing for me. Wow, that is the best you could come up with?
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What. How? It was quite possibly the laziest script they could come up with. Its like they just said...fck it...lets recycle the original story with a girl. Yoda gets replaced with Luke. Dies essentially the same way. Goofy plot that made you think....are they just coming up with this on the fly? The duels were absolutely horrible and Kylo Ren has to be the worst incarnation of a Sith ive ever seen. It had all the cheesiness of the prequels with a poorly thought up script and no real likeable characters. At least the prequels had the best lightsaber fights set to film and actual, believable and cunning villains.
 
Also, I never liked Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan... always felt he was miscast
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly though I think the idea that the worth of sci fi is in how "hard" it is is highly questionable, I would argue as a genre a massive part of its popularity has always been that it provides an interesting way to explore drama or politics rather than just make predictions about future technology.

Really as well Starwars never made much pretence at being "hard" for me, I think someone like Nolan arguebly does a lot more of that, Starwars was always much more fantasy in a space setting.

As blockbuster entertainment I do think Starwars has a decent amount of substance to it, the original you could argue shows Luke rejecting a conformist stay at home life for a mystical counter culture freedom fighter role whilst Leia "subverts expectations" before it was fashionable picking apart the damsel trope. By Empire and Jedi you have a story were its more than just defeating the badguy, Luke's expectation that it will be that is picked apart too and then its a story of rejecting anger in favour of forgiveness.

Its part of why Last Jedi fell on its ass the way it did, it was pretending the originals were something they weren't whilst nicking character arcs from them and redoing them much less effectively.
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Lucas simply took a classical hero's journey, threw in some Bollywood drama (I'm yo daddy...), "borrowed" Kurosawa's plot, copied every decent trick in the book, and made a concoction of mumbojumbo.

And people loved it.
It is definitely not sci-fi, it's space opera. And it wasn't high art to begin with. It was as pop as it gets. "Pop" in the negative sense of the word.
 
Yoda was head of the Jedi order for hundreds of years and he failed on so many levels. Out of everything I would say his failure to guide Anakin was his biggest folly. For all his wisdom and life experience he was blind as a bat.


But hey at least he got to live out his retirement on Dagobah while whatever left of the Jedi order was getting slaughtered
 
Thepaintbucket said:
Yoda was head of the Jedi order for hundreds of years and he failed on so many levels. Out of everything I would say his failure to guide Anakin was his biggest folly. For all his wisdom and life experience he was blind as a bat.


But hey at least he got to live out his retirement on Dagobah while whatever left of the Jedi order was getting slaughtered
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yep, this guy gets it
 
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