Movies Yoda was a can

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moreorless87 said:
Does highlight the problem I always had with the Jedi in the prequels, they were too mundane, too woven into bureaucracy of government, I imagined them as much more separate from it, more working behind the scenes, maybe getting involved directly in the Clone Wars a bit but not working as basically the FBI/Police for the Republic.

Yoda specifically I imaged had always lived on Degobah, or at least had done so for a very long time, an ideal location for training Jedi being free of distractions and very strong with the force being so "alive", your classic hermit master teacher.

The same character just doesnt fit into the prequels nearly so well, most obviously as mentioned because the films call for him to not actually be very "wise" at all. I think if Lucas wanted to have the Jedi in the role he should have made them rather more flawed, more arrogant and someone like Yoda would have been more of an outsider maybe sticking to the "old ways" before they became too bound up with corrupt government.
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ssBaldy said:
Turned out, the Jedi order was a branch of the corrupt government.
Maybe not corrupt per se, but stagnant for way too long and rotting from within.
Remember that before the events of ep.1 only Ki Adi Mundi have seen a sith with his own eyes, of all the Jedi counsil.
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You guys are on point. A lot of us are having fun with this discussion, which is perfectly fine as this is the Mayberry, but there are some legitimate concerns and criticisms to the way Yoda, Mace and the rest of the Jedi Order handled their affairs.

In Episode 3, Anakin is asked to sit on the council, but not given the title of Master, not made an official member. Outside of the meeting, Obi Wan asks him privately to spy on Palpatine. The whole thing makes Obi Wan quite uncomfortable but it doesn't change the fact that the council is secretly carrying out a black op.

How many more black ops has the council secretly sponsored?

I haven't read it but I believe a Vader comic came out some time ago and they touch on this subject- something about the council imprisoning people who dissented from the council, without due process.

The council was far from being 100% lawful good.
 
AGGAMEMNON66 said:
Meh his fight with Palpatine was pretty mutual at the end. Palps even noted Yoda was much more powerful than he’d originally thought. In fact Palpatine feared Windu for many years prior to making his move because he believed Windu was more powerful until Mace laughed at the idea of him being above Yoda when Palpatine casually mentions it
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Palpatine was the real MVP.
 
AGGAMEMNON66 said:
Prime Luke takes his lunch money
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Prime, Healthy, Motivated, Full Training Camp Sideous with That Look in his eyes makes young Skywalker tap to strikes. Then shows Leia what a real Lightsabre feels like. 😈
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
Bra. He legit defeated Vader, the craziest villain in history x2. He sliced Darth Maul in half. He turned Grievous into scrap metal. He died on his terms pretty much. Obi Wan was a boss!!
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Vader kicked his ass, beat him until his only choice was to quit and disappear again, in front of his new butt buddy Luke. He tried to beat baby Vader but he didn't even finish that. He quit on that too. Didn't Dart Maul live and become a spider baby or something? And he stood there and watched as his mentor got a double ended dildo shoved up his arse. I don't know about Grievous, he was shit anyway
 
KnightTemplar said:
Prime, Healthy, Motivated, Full Training Camp Sideous with That Look in his eyes makes young Skywalker tap to strikes. Then shows Leia what a real Lightsabre feels like. 😈
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Then he wakes up and realizes it was all a dream. Poor Palpatine


In all seriousness I know Val isn’t necessarily cannon yet but a brawl between he and Sideous would end entire worlds. I think he’s the only Sith Lord Sid studied and gave props to
 
AGGAMEMNON66 said:
Then he wakes up and realizes it was all a dream. Poor Palpatine


In all seriousness I know Val isn’t necessarily cannon yet but a brawl between he and Sideous would end entire worlds. I think he’s the only Sith Lord Sid studied and gave props to
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Palp had Luke on the ropes and only lost because of Vader's Heel-Face Turn.
 
HUGHPHUG said:
Vader kicked his ass, beat him until his only choice was to quit and disappear again, in front of his new butt buddy Luke. He tried to beat baby Vader but he didn't even finish that. He quit on that too. Didn't Dart Maul live and become a spider baby or something? And he stood there and watched as his mentor got a double ended dildo shoved up his arse. I don't know about Grievous, he was shit anyway
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When did Vader kick his ass???

Obi Wan made him a quadrapalegic burn victim and then went on to whoop his ass again after sidious turned him into intergalactic robocop. What alternate universe movie and show did you watch?

When he decided to ghost out, he did it so he could continue teaching luke from ghostjediville. He probably would have beaten vader for a 3rd time if he wanted to but why embarrass buckethead any further.
 
Ezekiel 25:17 said:
When did Vader kick his ass???

Obi Wan made him a quadrapalegic burn victim and then went on to whoop his ass again after sidious turned him into intergalactic robocop. What alternate universe movie and show did you watch?

When he decided to ghost out, he did it so he could continue teaching luke from ghostjediville. He probably would have beaten vader for a 3rd time if he wanted to but why embarrass buckethead any further.
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haha that's a romantic take on it, I prefer the honest view when he tapped out early in New Hope, took a dive like Josh Koshcheck. If he could have beaten Vader why didn't he? End it right there, then go on to beat up the Emperor. But no, bitched out.
And he didn't continue teaching Luke, he said some Grasshopper shit during the Death Star battle and then fucked off until Jedi
 
HUGHPHUG said:
Vader kicked his ass, beat him until his only choice was to quit and disappear again, in front of his new butt buddy Luke. He tried to beat baby Vader but he didn't even finish that. He quit on that too. Didn't Dart Maul live and become a spider baby or something? And he stood there and watched as his mentor got a double ended dildo shoved up his arse. I don't know about Grievous, he was shit anyway
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When did Vader kick his ass???

Obi Wan made him a quadrapalegic burn victim and then went on to whoop his ass again after sidious turned him into intergalactic robocop. What alternate universe movie did you watch
HUGHPHUG said:
haha that's a romantic take on it, I prefer the honest view when he tapped out early in New Hope, took a dive like Josh Koshcheck. If he could have beaten Vader why didn't he? End it right there, then go on to beat up the Emperor. But no, bitched out.
And he didn't continue teaching Luke, he said some Grasshopper shit during the Death Star battle and then fucked off until Jedi
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You must high in a galaxy far far away.
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly though I think the idea that the worth of sci fi is in how "hard" it is is highly questionable, I would argue as a genre a massive part of its popularity has always been that it provides an interesting way to explore drama or politics rather than just make predictions about future technology.

Really as well Starwars never made much pretence at being "hard" for me, I think someone like Nolan arguebly does a lot more of that, Starwars was always much more fantasy in a space setting.

As blockbuster entertainment I do think Starwars has a decent amount of substance to it, the original you could argue shows Luke rejecting a conformist stay at home life for a mystical counter culture freedom fighter role whilst Leia "subverts expectations" before it was fashionable picking apart the damsel trope. By Empire and Jedi you have a story were its more than just defeating the badguy, Luke's expectation that it will be that is picked apart too and then its a story of rejecting anger in favour of forgiveness.

Its part of why Last Jedi fell on its ass the way it did, it was pretending the originals were something they weren't whilst nicking character arcs from them and redoing them much less effectively.
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I think a succinct way of saying it is that Star Wars has more in common with Lord of the Rings than Star Trek.

Is Star Wars a philosophy class? No, but it has some depth, a good message and is a lot of fun.

 
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