Yan rubbing salt on Sugars wounds

[SuperAlly]

Yan can run his mouth all he wants, bottom line is that he couldn't beat Sean on his best day, he came close, but not close enough.

This is the guy who got a title shot off a win over Faber who was 4-4 since challenging for a title. Talk about deserving. And then he gets DQd and get a immediate shot again.

Hypocrite. I find all these Russian guys are whiners, entitled and hypocrites.

Tell me you are a fool without telling me you are a fool

Read the post immediately before yours.

He beat Sean, not on his best day, and got robbed by a UFC plant

 

[SuperAlly]

You really want to split hairs about the meaning of the word “unwarranted”? My point stands. It was unnecessary. I also used the word “unwanted” in conjunction, so my meaning should be perfectly clear.

I was not disputing that Sean had anything for Merab. I was certain he didn’t.

And Sean moves the needle more than Yan. If you wish to dispute that, you might have to go full retard like Gustaffson. It’s the whole reason Sean got the fight. Literally no one is disputing why the UFC made this decision.

Sean doesn't move the needle to any extent that should lead to him getting gift after gift after gift

It was just the UFC hoping he would become but never will and never was

 

[SuperAlly]

Awwww, right away you resort to the hater comments just cause you don't like someone not seeing things your way.

Any way you spin it, he got a title shot after the DQ, interim or not. So it is being accurate. Sterling was out, they did an interim title shot and he got it coming of a DQ loss plain and simple.

I may have been 100% wrong but let's just gloss over that

Better to admit when you fuckdd up if you want people to take you seriously

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Yan is right about him receiving things he hasn't earned - his UD over Yan, and his second title shot.

Yeah, but I dislike Yan even worse!
Still thanks for stopping my dumb posts about that before they even happened.

 

[SuperAlly]

I guess we are splitting hairs over semantics.

Is an interim title shot a title shot? Technically but not really, since all it does is guarantee you a shot at the real title, but it has the words "title" in it so yeah I suppose it is one. But it wasn't a rematch like with Suga, he still had to win another fight to get that.

I just don't like the lack of context in any of the arguments made - he didn't lose a title fight like Suga i.e. got clearly beaten, he got DQ'd in a fight he had basically already won. That's kind of important when the visual narrative is one guy winning a fight and then landing an illegal blow where the other guy puts on an over-the-top acting job to guarantee a DQ. Then he lost the closest type of split-decision possible to the same guy after putting on one of the best BW fights of all-time against Sandhagen.

You say he "couldn't beat Sean on his best day" - who said that was his best day? And if we use perceptive reality as "who won" not just the three guys the UFC essentially pays to be there by paying off athletic commissions the majority of everyone believes Yan won - fans, media, fighters.

Beating Faber made him 6-0 and the UFC was in a shit-spot with Cejudo vacating the title, Moraes shit the bed and they gave him a bounce-back fight against Aldo dropping down and it was a coin-flip that could've gone either way. They promised Faber a title fight if he beat Yan, so it's likely Yan got the same promise with a win.

The UFC was short on name-value contenders with TJ out with EPO doping, Cruz getting smoked by Cejudo, Cejduo retiring, and Moraes shitting the bed versus Cejduo. At that time who was left to fight for the title? The rankings were:

Moraes > "beat Aldo" in fight 50% of media and 60% of fans thought he lost (would go on a 7 fight losing streak after this, hasn't "won" since, so if judges went a different way would be a 9 fight losing streak)
Sterling > booked to fight Sandhagen
Yan > not booked
Sandhagen > booked to fight Sterling
Assucao > booked to fight Garbrandt
Aldo > "lost to Moraes"
Munhoz > lost to Aljjo, booked against Edgar
Rivera > coming off a 2-loss streak to Aljo/Yan
Garbrandt > coming off a 3-loss streak of getting KO'd, was booked against Assuncao the month before
Font > 3-2 in his last 5, coming off 2 wins by decision over Simon/Pettis

Timing/circumstance/what have you done lately/how have you done it/name-value - these things all come into play. Based on the landscape it looks like Yan was putting on incredibly exciting fights, winning all of them, willing to fight anyone anywhere, and the division was log-jammed with a bunch of guys at the top already booked or coming off of loses/mixed performances. Dana White even tweeted out after Cejudo retired that the Vacant title fight would be "Petr Yan vs. Somebody" so that's just the way he cards fell.

The 4-4 since challenging for the title is pretty void of context - those losses:

Aljo 1 - DQ in a fight he had basically won; a loss on paper but everyone's memory of that fight is Yan breaking Aljo then committing the foul which Aljo oversold unnecessarily to get a DQ.

Aljo 2 - Split-decision in a fight he could've easily won, about a coin-flip a fight as can be.

Suga - Split-decision loss in a fight the majority of fans/media/fighters think he won.

Merab - Came in with an injury, got another injury immediately, and got ran over by one of the best of all-time to do it.

His losses are to the last 3 champions and he arguably won 2 of them, he never got finished and the only domination was Merab who does that to everybody. That was a fight he shouldn't have taken since he was so injured and he's even admitted as such, but it's his fault for taking it so he needs to just eat the L. Yan's record is one of those ones where if you don't watch the fights and just look at the "official record" it completely negates actual truth.

And I don't see why you hate the Russian fighters specifically, they are no different than any other nationality - most fighters are entitled, have excuses when they lose, and are hypocrites.

The Suga fangirls/Yan haters need to just sitdown, shut the fuck up and take their telling at this point

But they are too dumb, belligerent and biased for that

 

[SuperAlly]

Brother, you always write doorstoppers and if I reply to your post properly, there's too many points I'd want to discuss with you and it'd take me all morning and I've got to work. I'm sorry lol. It's not even that I don't want to.

"I don't have any argument other than my myopic bias and can in no way challenge your strong and well articulated argument".

Gotcha

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

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Angling for the next shot at Merab?

gets worse more of these Suga cucks



well with fans like this Suga will get more rewards

 

[SuperAlly]

well with fans like this Suga will get more rewards

The fat guy is super dumb

"Do something else with your hands"? Like repeatedly land the more eye catching punches to Sean's face?

Fair play to the dude at the end

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

The fat guy is super dumb

"Do something else with your hands"? Like repeatedly land the more eye catching punches to Sean's face?

Fair play to the dude at the end

That is the type of guy that tells Merab sucks, they are annoying.

 

[xhaydenx]

"I don't have any argument other than my myopic bias and can in no way challenge your strong and well articulated argument".

Gotcha

You're still not understanding how quotes work lol. I said I didn't have enough time to go through it all, as much I'd like to.

Me and @TheMMAnalyst have had plenty of back and forth discussions that are fun and civil. We don't resort to the "retard" insults like you just because we don't agree on something haha.

You're getting pretty obsessive with this whole thing of hounding me around, bro. Can't remember what that last thread you did it in was or what I actually did to hurt you, but if it's this bad then I'm truly sorry.

 

[xhaydenx]

It doesn't matter that 95% of the UFC supporting and watching community believe Yan won. Hayden69s opinion matters more

Why the fuck am I now Hayden69? I have no idea what this means haha.

@Poirierfan you started this shit. Get in here and explain yourself, bro lol.

And @SuperAlly stop making up nonsense. I never said my opinion matters more. I said it matters as little as those media members, which it does.

 

[AmonTobin]

Merab could’ve dropped this same quote on Umar.

 

[SuperAlly]

Why the fuck am I now Hayden69? I have no idea what this means haha.

@Poirierfan you started this shit. Get in here and explain yourself, bro lol.

And @SuperAlly stop making up nonsense. I never said my opinion matters more. I said it matters as little as those media members, which it does.

When originally 100% and ultimately 95% of media scores and non media fan scores pick one guy you cannot dismiss them the way you have

That is arrogance and stupidity in the extreme.

If it was anywhere near 50:50 you have a point. When almost the entirety of the community picks the guy who got screwed it absolutely means something

If you want to belligerently argue against that you are a fool and no one should take you seriously on this topic.

 

[SuperAlly]

You're still not understanding how quotes work lol. I said I didn't have enough time to go through it all, as much I'd like to.

Me and @TheMMAnalyst have had plenty of back and forth discussions that are fun and civil. We don't resort to the "retard" insults like you just because we don't agree on something haha.

You're getting pretty obsessive with this whole thing of hounding me around, bro. Can't remember what that last thread you did it in was or what I actually did to hurt you, but if it's this bad then I'm truly sorry.

I don't remember engaging with you in other threads in the past

You think too much of yourself just because you obsessively hold onto contrarian opinions I guess.

 

[Poirierfan]

Why the fuck am I now Hayden69? I have no idea what this means haha.

@Poirierfan you started this shit. Get in here and explain yourself, bro lol.

And @SuperAlly stop making up nonsense. I never said my opinion matters more. I said it matters as little as those media members, which it does.

 

[xhaydenx]

When originally 100% and ultimately 95% of media scores and non media fan scores pick one guy you cannot dismiss them the way you have

That is arrogance and stupidity in the extreme.

If it was anywhere near 50:50 you have a point. When almost the entirety of the community picks the guy who got screwed it absolutely means something

If you want to belligerently argue against that you are a fool and no one should take you seriously on this topic.

Bro, I didn't dismiss them. I said they were opinions, no more important than yours, mine, or anyone else's. The media scores are literally just fight fans like you or I giving their own opinion. That's it. The 2 media members who scored it for Suga don't have any more weight or importance than you scoring it for Yan.

I said the only scores that matter are the judges. How is this not true? You can go and get 1000 media members to score the fight for Yan and it still ain't going to make a difference and he'll still have that loss on his record. What did the "almost entirety of the community" matter against the scores of the judges? Absolutely nothing, right?

It doesn't matter if it's 50:50 or whatever the fuck you want. 100% can score a fight for someone. They're free to do that. That doesn't mean me or anyone else just have to agree with them based on some percentage and not form my own opinion. This is some sheep-ass perspective you're trying to push here.

 

[xhaydenx]

I can just tell you're probably never going to explain it to me now, and it'll eat me up for a week or two, and then every time I see your avatar it's gonna remind me haha.

 

[PaulieVegas27]

Yan is right, what is wrong with that opinion? Especially given that he legit beat O'Dumbass but the judges forgot to take their meds that night. Or took too many of them.

He's 100% right. Straight up with a twist of lime.

 

[wrb]

It doesn't matter that 95% of the UFC supporting and watching community believe Yan won. Hayden69s opinion matters more

So, round 3 was Sean's; that knee was the nastiest I have ever seen (besides Vera's), so that's one for Sean, and I know Yan had one as well. One round is debatable—which it completely is, as I have watched many times. Also, Merab scored a record-breaking number of takedowns on Yan, so it's not crazy that he is not in line for a rematch, and it has nothing to do with Sean, who also knocked out a guy Yan could not in two fights. After all this, Yan will probably still get another title shot before he retires AND probably fight Sean again.

 

[Aurelian]

When I first watched the fight. I scored it for Sean, barely. When I watched it back, I scored it for Yan. It was just a really competitive fight.

Yan definitely should have got this recent shot against Merab over Sean. But ultimately, Merab requested to fight Sean again. UFC had incentive to do that too. So it happened.

@SuperAlly come react to my post. I need to get that reaction score up.